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JMB1943

This is still an interesting piece, true Mole or false Mole, and I would hold onto it.

We’ll see what others think of it.

 

Regards,

JMB

 

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Dave66
5 minutes ago, JMB1943 said:

This is still an interesting piece, true Mole or false Mole, and I would hold onto it.

We’ll see what others think of it.

 

Regards,

JMB

 

I have to agree, and at the end of the day it's not hundreds on a fake hooked Quilion, that would hurt.

 

Dave.

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RGJDEE
36 minutes ago, JMB1943 said:

This is still an interesting piece, true Mole or false Mole, and I would hold onto it.

We’ll see what others think of it.

 

Regards,

JMB

 

You never know there may be some redeeming unit markings or stamps to the grips. Have to wait and see till it gets here.

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RGJDEE
Posted (edited)

Have given the Sanderson a bit of a clean and have some better pics of unit stamps and scabbard markings.Is that possibly NF (Northumberland Fusiliers) or as we previously thought NL??

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JMB1943
Posted (edited)

I could go with NF.......or not; still somewhat ambiguous.

Have never previously seen a stamp low down on the grip; is it 5/T ?

Chape has RE = Remington; Locket has EFD markings; all normal.

 

Regards,

JMB

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, JMB1943 said:

I could go with NF.......or not; still somewhat ambiguous.

Have never previously seen a stamp low down on the grip; is it 5/T ?

Chape has RE = Remington; Locket has EFD markings; all normal.

 

Regards,

JMB

 

1 hour ago, JMB1943 said:

I could go with NF.......or not; still somewhat ambiguous.

Have never previously seen a stamp low down on the grip; is it 5/T ?

Chape has RE = Remington; Locket has EFD markings; all normal.

 

Regards,

JMB

Will try the chalk ? NF looks better than the NL. Have to see if the NFS had a 5th T. I know the N Lancs did.As to the grip stamp definate 5 probable T. ?

Northumberland would tie in as it was sourced in Newcastle.

 

Any tips on preservation/restoration of the scabbard metalwork ?

thanks for you continued interest and knowledge. 

Richard.

by the way couldn’t find any marks on the Winchester P13 scabbard, thick coat of green paint ? All over.

 

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Dave66
6 hours ago, RGJDEE said:

 

Will try the chalk ? NF looks better than the NL. Have to see if the NFS had a 5th T. I know the N Lancs did.As to the grip stamp definate 5 probable T. ?

Northumberland would tie in as it was sourced in Newcastle.

 

Any tips on preservation/restoration of the scabbard metalwork ?

thanks for you continued interest and knowledge. 

Richard.

by the way couldn’t find any marks on the Winchester P13 scabbard, thick coat of green paint ? All over.

 

Hard to pin down that one due to the pitting, one minute it looks like an F then another image an L, even with the fresh pictures, both battalions had a 5th that saw action in France and Flanders so either way it was more than likely in the thick of it.

 

Dave.

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JMB1943

Since this not of museum quality, I would only use a nylon bristle toothbrush to remove dirt and any loose rust.

Then a coat of light oil to prevent further rusting; re-apply every 6-12 months.

Pity about green scabbard, but not worth stripping the paint to determine any markings.

 

Regards,

JMB

 

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RGJDEE

Thanks Dave , just awaiting the new addition . Maybe Chris (4 th G) will have some news on the poss Indian connection ??

 

1 minute ago, JMB1943 said:

Since this not of museum quality, I would only use a nylon bristle toothbrush to remove dirt and any loose rust.

Then a coat of light oil to prevent further rusting; re-apply every 6-12 months.

Pity about green scabbard, but not worth stripping the paint to determine any markings.

 

Regards,

JMB

 

Thanks JMB as I had thought.

regards R

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4thGordons
5 minutes ago, RGJDEE said:

Thanks Dave , just awaiting the new addition . Maybe Chris (4 th G) will have some news on the poss Indian connection ??

 

 

No sorry, nothing definitive or, to be honest, even strongly suggestive. Some similarities in the bend test mark etc and the single E inspection but that's it.

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Thanks for taking the time Chris 

R

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On 04/07/2018 at 17:09, JMB1943 said:

All of the usual suspects are present.

Dated: 7? 17?

Re-inspected: ‘22, ‘24, ‘27

Viewers marks: crown/X6/E etc

Remains of Broad Arrow indicates British Govt. ownership 

Remains of X indicates the convex side of the bend test 

RE on the locket indicates manufacture of the locket (and possibly the whole scabbard) by the Remington Arms Co. USA

 

Regards,

JMB

 

 Plus being a WILKINSON / PALL MALL with the PALL MALL scrubbed out!:thumbsup:

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RGJDEE

Thanks Trajan would appreciate your thoughts on the “mole/ Mole/EFD” earlier/ later in this thread and also covered in Unusual markings to “Mole “ bayonet” Topic.

thanks Richard

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On 10/07/2018 at 20:32, RGJDEE said:

OH DEAR

Gentlemen , on my day off today after a visit to town I find myself in a quandary !

seen a Sanderson and an Enfield both in reasonable condition also a Lithgow with frog , what to do (all P 1907) which in your learned opinions is the most desirable ??

Unfortunately finances allow only one purchase. 

Yours in anticipation Richard.

 

Lithgow - you might not see another!

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On 12/07/2018 at 00:23, RGJDEE said:

Thanks jmb how do you tell if the scabbard is lithgow /Aussie made ??

 

On 12/07/2018 at 01:19, JMB1943 said:

Richard,

 

Damned if I know!

Dave, you’re up......

Seriously, I would expect the locket & chape to have the 7-pointed star and /or MA that are present on the blade.

 

On 12/07/2018 at 01:31, Dave66 said:

 

On Lithgow markings try: https://www.lawranceordnance.com/default/blog/lithgow-markings/

On 10/07/2018 at 20:32, RGJDEE said:

OH DEAR

Gentlemen , on my day off today after a visit to town I find myself in a quandary !

seen a Sanderson and an Enfield both in reasonable condition also a Lithgow with frog , what to do (all P 1907) which in your learned opinions is the most desirable ??

Unfortunately finances allow only one purchase. 

Yours in anticipation Richard.

 

Lithgow - you might not see another!

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On 14/07/2018 at 16:11, RGJDEE said:

Recent aqisitions

as promised p1907 x 2 . Any idea of the unit markings on one pommel. ?

also picked up this P 1913 Winchester. Would appreciate any comments  

thanks Richard

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Not my collecting field, but thanks for showing me what a Winchester P.1913 looks like!

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On 14/07/2018 at 16:11, RGJDEE said:

 

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Overlooked the scabbard - USA type, probably Remington? - and frog - Pattern 1939, normally used by the Home Guard. Wire fittings for fitting onto USA webbing.

On 14/07/2018 at 21:37, RGJDEE said:

Dave Hi, 

there were two lithgows 

1 dated 2/20 with a efd scabbard

2nd one 1942 or 43with correct Aussie scabbard and matching date. Wasn’t sure which one was more desirable and was hoping to get your thoughts ( I did max the credit card!)

The P13was in such good nick and being a rarer Winchester I was tempted then the seller offered to swap the scabbard and include the frog so It came home with me.

 

Yes (catching up here on post-by-post basis!), forget the Lithgows go for the others!

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