ForeignGong Posted 3 July , 2018 Share Posted 3 July , 2018 The record is for 18340 T H Rawley RE, long story but his real name was T H Rowley, confirmed with MIC and medal rolls. This is the FMP record https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=S2/GBM/MH106/MH106-903/0008&parentid=GBM/MH106/P2/160611 There are a few comments that I cannot decipher. For those that don't have FMP see below. Does the comment under 38 Fld relate to Rawley or the chap below?? Does the comment under Shd L relate to Rawley or the chap below?? Is the word between 8 and RC, Quai or what?? All comments welcome, thanks very much. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 3 July , 2018 Share Posted 3 July , 2018 Hi Peter, 6 hours ago, ForeignGong said: Does the comment under 38 Fld relate to Rawley or the chap below?? I think that it relates to the man below. Looking at the top of the page... The first man is with 'B' company, 1/Lincs, and the second with a RAMC Field Ambulance. The specifics of which (2/2 Northern) being written above it, and so it follows with others later down the page. 6 hours ago, ForeignGong said: Does the comment under Shd L relate to Rawley or the chap below?? I think that it relates to your man, and is preceded by a kind of ditto mark - so, GSW Shd L 6 hours ago, ForeignGong said: Is the word between 8 and RC, Quai or what?? I think that it reads as Quai too. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeignGong Posted 3 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 3 July , 2018 Hi Chris Thank you for your input. That works for me. Have no idea about Quai, I did a Google translation with French and it is "QUAY" or wharf but I can't see how that fits in as the only other entry looks like "Pal" and I can't translate that. Google tries to give the French word for the English Pal of friend. Cheers Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Brannen Posted 3 July , 2018 Share Posted 3 July , 2018 I think (in action) relates to the man below, since Sim. F. R. Clav. seems to be "simple fracture right clavicle", and "in action" would be an important notation, as that could have occurred basically anywhere, whereas GSW Shd L. would automatically suggest "in action" unless it was an accident, and then you would expect a notation such as "accidental" or something similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 3 July , 2018 Admin Share Posted 3 July , 2018 With ref to the potential "Quai" is there anything in a column header or in the other entries in that column that could help to put the word in question into context? Regards David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 3 July , 2018 Share Posted 3 July , 2018 2 minutes ago, DavidOwen said: With ref to the potential "Quai" is there anything in a column header or in the other entries in that column that could help to put the word in question into context? Regards David I was just in the process of posting that Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 3 July , 2018 Admin Share Posted 3 July , 2018 6 minutes ago, ss002d6252 said: I was just in the process of posting that Craig Thanks Craig! Can I be a pain and ask what the columns either side are re the "8" and "RC"? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 3 July , 2018 Share Posted 3 July , 2018 46 minutes ago, DavidOwen said: Thanks Craig! Can I be a pain and ask what the columns either side are re the "8" and "RC"? David The 8 would be the number of days under treatment and RC is likely Roman Catholic. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 3 July , 2018 Admin Share Posted 3 July , 2018 1 minute ago, ss002d6252 said: The 8 would be the number of days under treatment and RC is likely Roman Catholic. Craig Thank you! Not sure that it helps me all that much - now wondering what "HS Oxfordshire" means in that column unless Home Sick to Oxfordshire. However, to get back on track I think I (and possibly "we") need a more expanded image of that line if possible please. Regards David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 3 July , 2018 Share Posted 3 July , 2018 Quote HS Oxfordshire Hospital Ship Oxfordshire, most likely A larger image would be useless with the rows of data. I would post but the Mods will jump on it as it's more than just a small, incidental, use. If the OP was to post however... Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeignGong Posted 3 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 3 July , 2018 (edited) Is this what you require Edited 4 July , 2018 by ForeignGong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 4 July , 2018 Admin Share Posted 4 July , 2018 11 hours ago, ForeignGong said: Is this what you require Thank you that puts it all into context in my mind and as the chap may have been transferred to a hospital ship then I would tend to agree that the word is "Quai" as in quay / wharf etc. for embarkation? I would have been doubtful that this would be the name of an actual ward, but could be wrong. Regards David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeignGong Posted 4 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 4 July , 2018 David and Craig Thanks very much for the help, I think it must be Quay. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 4 July , 2018 Share Posted 4 July , 2018 Hi Peter, For what it's worth FWR have transcribed the record. Their interpretation reads as: First Name: T H Surname: Rawley Age: 29 Rank: Corporal Service Number: 18340 Years Service: 7 Years Months With Field Force: 11 Months Ailment: Gun shot wound left shoulder Date Transferred to Sick Convoy: 05/08/1915 Number of Days Under Treatment: 8 Number/Designation of Ward: Quai Notes written in the Observations Column: Hospital Ship Oxfordshire. Religion: Roman Catholic Regiment: Royal Engineers Battalion: 38th Field Company Other unit info: Attached 1st Canadian ? Sappers* Archive Reference: MH106/903 - Representative Medical Records of No. 2 General Hospital, Le Havre. *I think that they have attributed this to the wrong person, and it should go with 20622 Gribben CASC (MT), and that looking at his service file, it should be read as 1st Canadian Divisional Supply Column. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeignGong Posted 4 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 4 July , 2018 Chris I agree with you, Canadian ASC would more than likely be attached to 1st Canadian Sappers. Thomas Henry Rowley A / CSM 18340, MID 27 Nov 1917, French Medaille d’honneur Avec Glaives en Bronze 16 Mar 1920. 1914 Star and Clasp Thanks to you all for your help. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 4 July , 2018 Share Posted 4 July , 2018 My take on Row No 3: 3 C.A.S.C. (=Canadian ASC) MT Column, 1 Canadian D.Sup. (=Depot of Supply possibly?) 20622 Pte. Gribben T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 4 July , 2018 Share Posted 4 July , 2018 Hi, With respect to the Forces War Records transcription, I think that they have both misinterpreted the "other unit info", and accredited it to the wrong man. Where they have "Attached 1st Canadian ? Sappers", I don't think that it belongs to Rowley/Rawley. I believe it belongs to... Looking at MH106 image on FMP, I don't see how FWR came up with "Attached" or "Sappers". As the MH106 image shows that Gribben was in Quai, and sent for onward evacuation by the Oxfordshire on the same date (05.08.1915) as Rowley/Rawley, I had hoped that his file may have given some more detail. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 4 July , 2018 Share Posted 4 July , 2018 4 hours ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: My take on Row No 3: 3 C.A.S.C. (=Canadian ASC) MT Column, 1 Canadian D.Sup. (=Depot of Supply possibly?) 20622 Pte. Gribben T. 2 hours ago, clk said: As I thought all along, '1 Canadian D.Sup.' stands for 1st Canadian Supply Column. (Why couldn't they just write 'Div. Sup. Col' then I wonder? I know there was a war on, but they must have been taught to use standardised abbreviations!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 4 July , 2018 Share Posted 4 July , 2018 Hi, 4 hours ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: As I thought all along, '1 Canadian D.Sup.' stands for 1st Canadian Supply Column. (Why couldn't they just write 'Div. Sup. Col' then I wonder? I know there was a war on, but they must have been taught to use standardised abbreviations!) Personally, I think that it was a tad inconsiderate of them Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 6 July , 2018 Share Posted 6 July , 2018 On 03/07/2018 at 03:56, ForeignGong said: oes the comment under 38 Fld relate to Rawley or the chap below?? Rawley. The unit title was 38 Field Ambulance Workshop - a small unit which serviced the motor ambulance cars. On 03/07/2018 at 03:56, ForeignGong said: Does the comment under Shd L relate to Rawley or the chap below?? Rawley again. The ditto marks indicate that, like the preceding entry, he had a gun shot wound, in Rawley's case to his left shoulder. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeignGong Posted 6 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 6 July , 2018 Ron, The 14 roll and MIC state 38th Field Company, where do you get "38 Field Ambulance Workshop " please????? 5 hours ago, Ron Clifton said: Rawley. The unit title was 38 Field Ambulance Workshop - a small unit which serviced the motor ambulance cars. Rawley again. The ditto marks indicate that, like the preceding entry, he had a gun shot wound, in Rawley's case to his left shoulder. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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