stevenbecker Posted 24 June , 2018 Share Posted 24 June , 2018 Mates, I wonder what you have on a number of German Nurses sent to Palestine during the war? 'Princess Brigitte Reuss Nurse att Ottoman Red Cross (Cresant) hosp Koch Paula Nurse Hosp unit daughter of Chief Eng Schellens Baroness Veronika von Wechmar Nurse att Ottoman Red Cross (Cresant) hosp Cheers S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 25 June , 2018 Share Posted 25 June , 2018 There is an interesting article here http://www.palestine-studies.org/jq/fulltext/195195 which describes the Medical Mission at Hafir-el-Auja quote: The nursing team consisted of four German deaconesses: Sophie, Louisa, Hannah and Lena. They were from the Prussian Kaiserwerth Hospital of the Knights of the Order of St John (a 60-bed hospital in Beirut …..) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auja_al-Hafir#/media/File:Turkish_military_town_of_Hafir_el_Aujah,_the_principal_desert_base,_1916.jpg There is still a lot to be seen at this site even today and the local WW1 Heritage Society paid a visit there only a few months ago The main building on the hill overlooking the wells, the Ottoman camp, the railway line and station The remains of one of the Ottoman building in their base at the foot of the steps The steps leading down from the main building on the hill to the general area of the Ottoman base The remains of a Byzantine basilica in the foreground and behind the trees, the water tower serving the Ottoman railway line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 25 June , 2018 Share Posted 25 June , 2018 (edited) Re-reading your op Steve, I think that I originally miss-interpreted it You're looking for information only on these three specific ladies? Edited 25 June , 2018 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 25 June , 2018 Share Posted 25 June , 2018 11 hours ago, stevebecker said: Princess Brigitte Reuss Nurse att Ottoman Red Cross (Cresant) hosp Possibly the daughter of Heinrich XXV: born 31 January 1889 - Altona, died 7 January 1929 - Groß-Krausche, age at death: 39 years old (possibly also related to Oberleutnant z S. Prinz Reuss who is seen in the background of the first photograph here http://www.gallipoli1915.de/naval-support-command [in the right foreground Admirals Usedom and Märten]) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 25 June , 2018 Share Posted 25 June , 2018 (edited) Michael, No worries mate any details on these nurses with the Ottoman Army is of interest. I noticed a Photo of German Airman that had these nurses with them at a dinner. And with so little details on the German hosps used in this area any look at them is gold. I did find another nurse Ingelfingen Marie zu Hohenlohe Nurse Sister unknown Medical unit died 17-5-18 grave at Tarabya Istanbul No details on her or her death? Cheers S.B Edited 25 June , 2018 by stevebecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 26 June , 2018 Share Posted 26 June , 2018 Tarabya is the site of the old (Crimean-era) Royal Naval hospital at Therapia, and if I recall aright there is a Forum Pal local to the cemetery there. Can't recall his name though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3rn Posted 26 June , 2018 Share Posted 26 June , 2018 (edited) Hi Steve, here is a nurse’s grave in Istanbul, taken in 2017. (I will look later if I photographed Marie’s grave.) This link has more photos from that day: Can you share the photo of the German airmen and nurses? Edited 26 June , 2018 by b3rn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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michaeldr Posted 26 June , 2018 Share Posted 26 June , 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, stevebecker said: Ingelfingen Marie zu Hohenlohe Nurse Sister unknown Medical unit died 17-5-18 grave at Tarabya Istanbul This website should be of helpquote: Hohenlohe-Ingelfingen Marie Agnes Prinzessin zu, Krankenschwester, born 27.09.1883 Koschentin, Lublinetz and died 17.05.1918 im Etappen Laz II, Konstantinopel, Fernaki. Was with the military mission in Turkey and died „an Fleckfieber“ [typhus fever] Her full name was Maria Agnes Amelie Elise zu Hohenlohe-Ingelfingen and she was the youngest of 5 children from Prinz Friedrich Wilhelm Eduard Alexander zu Hohenlohe-Ingelfingen, a Prussian general and lord of Koschentin and countess Anna Caroline Louise Amalie Auguste von Giech Buried at Istanbul-Tarabya (Deutsche Kriegsgräberstätte), Türkei (from https://germannursesofthegreatwar.wordpress.com/the-list/) Edited 26 June , 2018 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 26 June , 2018 Share Posted 26 June , 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, b3rn said: from the same website: https://germannursesofthegreatwar.wordpress.com/the-list/ Gagern Elisabeth von, Rot Kreuz Schwester, born 6/8/1887 and died 2/5/1916 at Constantinopel, mentioned as „gestorben bei der Kriegspflege“We know that she particpated in a tour to the POW camps in Russia together with Generaloberin Mathilde Freiin von Horn, Alexandrine Gräfin von Üxkull-Gyllenband, Erika von Passow, Magdalene von Walsleben und Oberin Emma von Bülow in 1915/1916, they had to check on the circumstances in which the men lived, if they were able to practice their religion and if they were buried in good circumstances when needed. We know that in 1916 she also had a meeting with Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna of Russia on the matter of the POW camps.Buried at Istanbul-Tarabya (Deutsche Kriegsgräberstätte), Türkei Edited 26 June , 2018 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 26 June , 2018 Share Posted 26 June , 2018 (edited) Another German nurse buried at Tarabya details from the same list as above: https://germannursesofthegreatwar.wordpress.com/the-list/ Hof Clara, Krankenschwester, died 9/10/1917 Buried at Sammelgrab 1 Istanbul-Tarabya (Deutsche Kriegsgräberstätte), Türkei edit to add: for some reason she is recorded as Nurse Court Clara 09/10/1917 “Collecting grave 1” on this website http://www.denkmalprojekt.org/2015/istanbul-tarabya(deutsche-kriegsgraeberstaette_tr.html Edited 26 June , 2018 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3rn Posted 26 June , 2018 Share Posted 26 June , 2018 Thanks Michael, hadn’t come across that website before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 27 June , 2018 Share Posted 27 June , 2018 (edited) When looking at the staffing of the medical units on the Ottoman side in the Palestine campaign it is worth remembering a] that they made use of the facilities in Jerusalem provided by various Christian religious orders; German, Austrian and others and b] that up until their entry on the Allied side in late 1917, there was also an American contribution to the Turkish effort in this theatre [note the American flag] Four Christian sisters at Hafir (as mentioned in post No.2 above) Beersheva Beit Hanun Jerusalem Mr Whiting was at some time the US Consul in Jerusalem and with his wife, he helped in recruiting nursing staff for the Ottomans, from the American colony in that cityhttp://memory.loc.gov/phpdata/pageturner.php?type=contactminor&cmIMG1=/pnp/ppmsca/13700/13709/00244t.gif&agg=ppmsca&item=13709&caption=243 see also http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/americancolony/amcolony-ww1.html#obj32b in particular the third illustration, which is a photograph of a list of thirty 'Names of Nurses From the American Colony' Edited 27 June , 2018 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 28 June , 2018 Share Posted 28 June , 2018 Michael, Thanks mate very interesting S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 29 June , 2018 Share Posted 29 June , 2018 Mickael, I was wondering what a number of German units were shown on the graves? Borch Heinrich von d. ESK6b Geuther Paul Dvr EBSK3. I was thinking they maybe a Sqn (SK) or company (K) Any ideas? Cheers S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 30 June , 2018 Share Posted 30 June , 2018 (edited) Steve, ESK is the abbreviation for Eisenbahnsonderkommando which translates as “special railroad service command” EBSK does not seem to be covered here http://www.znaci.net/00002/323.pdf (NB: this list is WWII and WWI could well have been different, or, perhaps there is a transcription error?) EDIT to add: on reflection, EBSK could be just a variation of ESK with the B of 'bahn' added regards Michael Edited 30 June , 2018 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 1 July , 2018 Share Posted 1 July , 2018 (edited) Mate, Thank you I was thinking they maybe from the Ottoman Sqn's (Tayyare Boluk (Aircraft Company) but that puts pay to that idea. Is that the same for this man's unit? Mertens Johann Utffz. EBBK 34/48 Cheers S.B Edited 1 July , 2018 by stevebecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eike Posted 16 April , 2022 Share Posted 16 April , 2022 Are you still looking for information about the nurses Paula Koch, Brigitte von Reuss und Veronika von Wechmar? I have some informations about them an Feldfliegerabteilung 300. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 16 April , 2022 Share Posted 16 April , 2022 Tagging @stevebecker to alert him to your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 16 April , 2022 Share Posted 16 April , 2022 On 01/07/2018 at 02:52, stevebecker said: Mertens Johann Utffz. EBBK 34/48 EBBK = Eisenbahn Baukompagnie - Railway Construction Company Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 April , 2022 Share Posted 16 April , 2022 (edited) Charlie, Thanks mate, I had still not found what that unit was. Still have not found that unit in Turkey with a number of Rail units used as Ottoman Railways were very poor, and supplies had to flow to Mespotania, Caucasus and Palestine by one rail line. Eike I have only found German nurses in a number of hosp threw out the Ottoman Empire, not with fighting units, here is a list of some nurses I have found Appinger Ernestine Schwester / Nurse Sister Feldlazarett 219 - (219th Field Hosp) 1917-18 vermißt MIA 20-9-18 possibly PoW Bordasch Walter Krankenwärter / Nurse Military mission - Deutsche Militär-Mission Konstantinopel 1917-18 (1899 at Königsberg DoD 1-10-18 or DoD 9-10-18) Krankheit (illness) grave in German war cemetery at Tarabya Istanbul Didszun Magdalena Krankenwärter / Nurse German missionary - German nurse from Hadjin 1915- also recognized the danger for the Armenians Elvers Eva Krankenwärter / Nurse German Red Cross nurse observations in Erzingjan and on their journey to Sivas 1915- also recognized the danger for the Armenians Fengel Alfred Krankenwärter / Nurse 146th Regt - 1Bn - 4Co - Infanterie-Regiment 146 1917-18 (1894 ) vermißt MIA 30-4-18 possibly PoW in fighting at 2nd Es Salt Fruhstorfer Therese Krankenwärter / Nurse KUK Pharmacists Salzburgese Army Nurse (Apotheker) 1915-18 KUK awarded Ottoman War Medal (not identified?) Gäbler Erich Krankenwärter / Nurse Military mission - Deutsche Militär-Mission Konstantinopel 1917-18 (1895 at Breslau DoD 8-10-18) Krankheit (illness) of pneumonia an Lungenentzündung im Etappen Laz II Konstantinopel Fernaki grave in German war cemetery at Tarabya Istanbul Gagern Elisabeth von Rot-Kreuz Schwester / Nurse Sister part tour to the PoW camps in Russia 10-15 together with Generaloberin Mathilde Freiin von Horn - Alexandrine Gräfin von Üxkull-Gyllenband and Erika von Passow & Magdalene von Walsleben & Oberin Emma von Bülow 1915-16 (born 1887 DoD 2-5-16) Krankheit (illness) grave in German war cemetery at Tarabya Istanbul (Deutsche Kriegsgräberstätte) gestorben bei der Kriegspflege (died while nursing) Gebauer Bruno Krankenwärter / Nurse medical unit im Deutschen Krankenhaus 1917-18 (born at Großenhain Sachsen DoD 8-6-18) Krankheit (illness) of typhus im Deutschen Krankenhaus grave in German war cemetery at Tarabya Istanbul an Fleckfieber Hannah Krankenwärter / Nurse American Red Cross field hospital in Hafir-el-Auja 1915 Feldlazarett 1915-18 German deaconesses from the Prussian Kaiserwerth Hospital of the Knights of the Order of St John (a 60-bed hospital in Beirut) Hof Clara Krankenschwester / Nurse Krankenschwester / Nurse Sister unknown medical unit 1917- (died 9-10-17) grave in German war cemetery at Tarabya Istanbul cause not stated? Sammelgrab 1 (not identified)? Hohenlohe-Ingelfingen Maria Agnes Amelie Elise Prinzessin zu Rot-Kreuz Krankenschwester / Nurse Military Mission in Turkey Medical unit 1917-18 (1883 at Koschentin Lublinetz DoD 17-5-18) Krankheit (illness) Fleckfieber (typhus) im Etappen Laz II Konstantinopel Fernaki grave in German war cemetery at Tarabya Istanbul Prinzessin zu, Krankenschweste (youngest child of General Prinz Friedrich Wilhelm Eduard Alexander zu Hohenlohe-Ingelfingen) Jablinski Augustas Krankenwärter / Nurse Medical unit (not identified)? 1917-18 (born 1891 DoD 29-12-18) in the Laz Skutari cause not stated? grave in German war cemetery at Tarabya Istanbul Sammelgrab 2 (not identified)? Klatt M Schwester Nurse Etappenlazarett 1915-16 (not identified)? Koch Paula Krankenwärter / Nurse Hosp unit Feldlazarett 1915-18 daughter of Chief Eng Schellens (not identified) Krause Liesbeth Schwester / Nurse sister Feldlazarett 219 - (219th Field Hosp) 1917-18 vermißt MIA 20-9-18 possibly PoW Lena Krankenwärter / Nurse American Red Cross field hospital in Hafir-el-Auja 1915 Feldlazarett 1915-18 German deaconesses from the Prussian Kaiserwerth Hospital of the Knights of the Order of St John (a 60-bed hospital in Beirut) Lochter Wilhelm Krankenwärter / Nurse 1. Gemischte Ersatz-Abteilung "Pascha II" - Sanit Co 1917-18 (1886 at Schnellwald Neustadt i Schles DoD 9-10-18) Krankheit (illness) Louisa Krankenwärter / Nurse American Red Cross field hospital in Hafir-el-Auja 1915 Feldlazarett 1915-18 German deaconesses from the Prussian Kaiserwerth Hospital of the Knights of the Order of St John (a 60-bed hospital in Beirut) Mersch Armand Krankenwärter / Nurse Military Mission Kstpl. - Konstantinopel 1917-18 (born at Mülhausen i. Els DoD 8-3-18) Krankheit (illness) of typhus in the Red Cross hospital Constantinople grave in German war cemetery at Tarabya Istanbul Möhring Laura Krankenwärter / Nurse German mission nurse 1915- also recognized the danger for the Armenians Pfeiffer Klara Krankenwärter / Nurse German nurse at Mesereh 1915- also recognized the danger for the Armenians Ragip Erica (Erika Bey) (real name Anna Schwarz) Krankenschwester / Nurse Sister Ottoman medical unit (The Graf Hochberg Hospital) near Kumköy on Bigali-Yalova road. Feldlazarett 1914-15 (Born Liesing Vienna KIA 26-9-15) also reported KIA 17-12-15 shown German wife (real name Anna Schwarz an Austrian) of Stabsarzt Dr Capt Ragip Bey MD lost her life either by a bomb in British air raid or fatally injured by an artillery shrapnel in a Turkish hospital while helping wounded Turkish soldiers buried Turkish cemetery south of Kumköy formerly on the hospital ship Resit Pasa. who left the hospital ship to work on the peninsula because of sea sickness Reichau Schwester Nurse in Jerusalem 23-9-17 1917-18 (not identified)? Reuß zu Köstritz Marie Brigitte Prinzessin Krankenwärter / Nurse att Ottoman Red Cross (Cresant) hosp Feldlazarett 1915-18 (1889 at Altona Hamburg Died 7-1-29) Rohner Beatrice Krankenwärter / Nurse Swiss nurse in German service the Hülfsbund für christliches Liebeswerk im Orient 1915- (1876 at Basel died 9-2-47) a Swiss Protestant theologian was a teacher and orphanage mother in Maras also recognized the danger for the Armenians wrote books Schaefer Paula Krankenwärter / Nurse German nurse 1915- also recognized the danger for the Armenians Schermutzki Hermann Krankenwärter / Nurse 146th Regt - 1Bn - 4Co - Infanterie-Regiment 146 1917-18 (1895 at Alt Ballupönen Darkehmen) bisher vermißt MIA 30-4-18 possibly PoW in fighting at 2nd Es Salt Schrampke Karl Krankenwärter / Nurse unknown (not identified)? 1917-18 (died 14-11-18) commemoration at Tarabya Istanbul (not identified)? Sonnenthal-Scherer Maria Nurse Sister Medical unit K&K Field Hospital Beersheba 1916- died 9-9-16 of cholera departed K&K Field Hospital Beersheba Sophie Krankenwärter / Nurse American Red Cross field hospital in Hafir-el-Auja 1915 Feldlazarett 1915-18 German deaconesses from the Prussian Kaiserwerth Hospital of the Knights of the Order of St John (a 60-bed hospital in Beirut) Touschek Annitta Krankenwärter / Nurse KUK Army nurse from Linz 1915-18 KUK awarded Ottoman War Medal (not identified?) Weber Ingeborg Krankenwärter / Nurse Medical unit Istanbul 1916- (1894 - 1962) married Donitz 27-5-16 Wechmar Veronika von Krankenwärter / Nurse Baroness att Ottoman Red Cross (Cresant) hosp Feldlazarett 1915-18 (born at Frankfurt a. M. ) (not identified)? Wedel-Jarlsberg Thora von Krankenwärter / Nurse Red Cross Nurse from Norway observations in Erzingjan and on their journey to Sivas 1915- (born 1863 Nord Aurdal Opland Norway died 1930) also recognized the danger for the Armenians Zillmann Schwester Nurse Gemeinde-Kriegslazarett über Konstantinopel 26-8-16 1916-17 (not identified)? Sorry some are male nurses. a number I show only their first names not who there family names were, was I could not find who they were. S.B Edited 16 April , 2022 by stevebecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eike Posted 17 April , 2022 Share Posted 17 April , 2022 Veronika von Wechmar (Veronika Pauline Thekla) Geboren 18.04.1868 Köslitz bei Görlitz Gestorben 21.01.1918 Friedhof Konstanz Block 28 Grab 77b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knittinganddeath Posted 17 April , 2022 Share Posted 17 April , 2022 (edited) Death/memorial notice for Princess Maria Agnes zu Hohenlohe Ingelfingen from Wiesbadener Tagblatt, 22 May 1918 (https://hwk1.hebis.de/zeitungen-hlbrm/periodical/pageview/335249): Another article says the causes of death were both typhus and pneumonia (Lungenentzündung): https://hwk1.hebis.de/zeitungen-hlbrm/periodical/pageview/360412 Edited 17 April , 2022 by knittinganddeath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 17 April , 2022 Share Posted 17 April , 2022 Eike Danke As to the known photo of her most sourses I am told are incorrect, see this on the photo said to be with FA 300 men "Dear Tosun Saral, merhaba!The photographs are great!In the picture that shows "Felmy" (i.e. Hellmuth Felmy) the short man on the left, marked by an X, is also a Felmy. He is the brother Gerhard Felmy who served in the same squadron.The picture with the strange title "Baronesse Veronika von Wechmar and Princess Brigitte" (these wrong identifications stem from your source "I. Dunya Savasi'inde...") actually shows only one female. This lady is not a German Red Cross nurse but an Arab Red Crescent nurse. She is an Arab Catholic nun of the congregation of the "Rosary Sisters" (Rahbât el Wardiye). The patients seem to be German soldiers. I send you a real photograph of Veronika and Brigitte in the attachment.The picture below again shows Arab Rosary Sisters serving as nurses in a Red Crescent hospital. This picture was probably taken in Hafir el Auja and not in Beersheva (turkish: Birüssabi). Similar pictures can be found in the Matson Collection of the Library of Congress.Norbert Schwake Cheers S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eike Posted 18 April , 2022 Share Posted 18 April , 2022 Where can I see these photos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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