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Unknown Australian "Buried Near this Spot" at Pozieres

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Not exactly sure how the CWGC would handle this type of situation. To me, one of these gravestones should be changed to a "Special Memorial C - Buried near this spot".

 

Eleven (11) Australian Soldiers were found near Pozieres at 57d.X.5.b.22.24. I almost gave it up until I realized that it was no "A.5" but "X.5" so just a bad key on the typewriter. These are related to action around 25-26 July 1916. The corresponding McMaster Map is [Albert] 57d.

 

Included within the grave with the 11 bodies was a disc marked "W. Fraser". He is one of four (4) that are missing during the war (CWGC Link).

 

Is it coincidence that there was a Lance Corporal William Fraser #3746 missing and dated 26 July 1916? He was with the 1st Australian Pioneers and they were most definitely at that location on that date.

 

It would be a requirement, if this was to go further, to prove that it was not one of the other three that are missing. I have not taken that step at this time.

 

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This is the rest of them on the prior page, from which we can get the date:

 

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And the corresponding war diary, not from Ancestry, so we can post it here:

 

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laughton
21 hours ago, laughton said:

It would be a requirement, if this was to go further, to prove that it was not one of the other three that are missing. I have not taken that step at this time.

 

Private FRASER, WILLIAM

Service Number 3687

Died 05/07/1916

25th Bn. 7th Brigade 2nd Division
Australian Infantry, A.I.F.

 

I am having trouble with Private William Fraser #3687 as the 25th Battalion (2nd Division, 7th Brigade) was still in Belgium at Red Lodge on 5 July 1916 (war diary link). The number of men killed on that date in the 25th Battalion was not large and they are listed by name (i.e. Pte William Ford), which does not include William Fraser #3687, although his number and affiliation is correct (Embarkation Roll). They did not arrive at the Brickfields at Albert (57d.W.22) until 26 July 1916. The man that are killed on that date from the 25th Battalion are buried in Belgium. THey made their first attack in France on the night of 28 July 1916 near Pozieres.

 

If the date of his death is reported incorrectly, it is possible that he was in the correct area where the remains were found, but a week after the other men buried in the same grave. I will get in touch with Dennis Frank at Fallen Diggers in Australia and see if he can help me out.

Private FRASER, WALTER

Service Number 6809

Died 19/05/1918

Aged 33

22nd Bn. 6th Brigade 2nd Division
Australian Infantry, A.I.F.

 

Private Walter Fraser was in the vicinity of the Heilly Chateau at 62d.K.7.a.3.0 so he is excluded by date and location (war diary link).

Private FRASER, WILLIAM GEORGE

Service Number 6017

Died 11/04/1917

Aged 25

15th Bn. 4th Brigade 4th Division
Australian Infantry, A.I.F.

 

Private William George Fraser  was near Noreuil at 57c.C.10.c.1.2 so he too is excluded by date and location (war diary link).

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spof

Richard

 

Try 3746 William Fraser of the 1st Pioneer Battalion.

 

His Red Cross Wounded & Missing file shows him being killed on the 26th near Pozieres as does the Roll of Honour circular completed by his mother.

 

I'm having problems accesing his service record at the moment but if you go to the Australian Archives Recordsearch and select Namesearch you should be able to find him when their servers start responding again.

 

Glen

 

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laughton

Glen:

 

That is the fellow I pinpointed in my first post on this topic. In the second post I am just doing the due diligence to eliminate the others and I can not resolve William Fraser #3687.

 

Richard

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DennisF73

Spof is correct he was killed in Flers on the 5th of November.

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spof

Here are permanent links to access (when they come online again) service records for

 

3687 Fraser

 

3746 Fraser (with a photo)

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laughton
Posted (edited)

Okay, thanks! I will send in a correction to the CWGC independent of the other Fraser find (done). That places him just west of Le Sars in 57c.M.17, an area well known from our earlier work on Lieutenant Eaves (maps and details here).

 

That takes him off the list, as he was not in the area where the remains were recovered and the date does not match.

 

So in the end all the "Other Fraser's" are off the list and our man is Lance Corporal William Fraser #3746.

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Edited by laughton
sent to CWGC "done"

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laughton

Checked today to make sure none of the candidates are on a SPECIAL MEMORIAL - negative (CWGC Link).

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