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Schoolteacher Isaac Rhystyd Williams - was he in the King's Liverpool Regt ?


davidbohl

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Looking for a military career for schoolteacher Isaac Rhystyd Williams, a brother to J.G.Williams who sadly died in ww1.

(b. 1881 Liverpool and d.1947) and living at 6 Oakfield, Anfield in 1911 (it's a small world, I lived at no.8 until 1959)

There is Isaac Williams #2533 King's Liverpool (Irish) Regt, but that doesn't sound right with Welsh parents.

Thanks

Dave

 

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35 minutes ago, davidbohl said:

There is Isaac Williams #2533 King's Liverpool (Irish) Regt, but that doesn't sound right with Welsh parents

Came across an Anglesey casualty last night from 10th (Scottish) batallion, so not impossible.

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Hello,

2533 Issac Williams service record says his mothers name is Elizabeth, on the 1911 census your Issac's mothers name is Elennor.

Here is a picture of the name from 2533's record.

 

Hope this helps

 

Chris

 

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Hi Dave,

 

2533 Williams has some papers on FMP. Whilst a resident of Liverpool, they seem to record him as "Group 21 (Coopers Appt)".

 

Regards

Chris

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Thanks for the replies, there is a Teacher Registration on FMP, does that say he worked all through the war ?

Dave

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1939 Register

 

Williams Household (5 People)
3 South Albert Road , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England


FIRST NAME(S)    LAST NAME(S)    DOB    SEX    OCCUPATION    MARITAL STATUS    SCHEDULE    SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER    
Isaac R    Williams    18 Mar 1881    Male    Schoolmaster    Married
Olivia A    Williams    22 Oct 1885    Female    Unpaid Domestic Duties    Married
William    Ohara    01 Nov 1877    Male    Tailor    Married
Elizabeth J    Ohara    22 Mar 1891    Female    Unpaid Domestic Duties    Married
Bessie A    Papworth (Ohara)    23 Oct 1914    Female    Schoolmistress    Single

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I guessed the Cardiganshire connection, Llanrhystyd (father), where my great grandparents are buried.

You've seen the 1901 Census I'm sure, where is mother is also Eleanor there.

And both Isaac and brother james G. are both escribed as " Training College Student".

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https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBOR/TCHIX/93414

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Death:  12 Jul 1947 - Liverpool, England
Marriage:  14 Jul 1926 - Liverpool
Spouse:  Olivia Alice Aston

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Well I think that puts a cap on that one, just an assistant master at Boaler St through ww1. A big strong rugby player missing out, lucky chap considering his brother was KIA.

Cheers All

Dave

 

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Hi Dave,

 

27 minutes ago, davidbohl said:

...I think that puts a cap on that one, just an assistant master at Boaler St through ww1. A big strong rugby player missing out...

 

I don't think that you can be sure that the Teachers Registration Council record rules out WW1 service. I have one for a relative which taken on face value would have him at a school in London for the duration, and beyond. However, he has a medal roll record that ties in with a photo of him (with his two brothers) in uniform.

 

Regards

Chris

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That's interesting Chris as I was worried about the psychological effect on him not serving whilst our kid didn't come back.

He never played rugger again but stayed involved with committee, perhaps I can just put it down to old age.

 

Dave

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Dave,

Have you seen this site?

http://home.btconnect.com/seftonrufc/AliensProfilesKingsRegt.html

 

It lists players who enlisted in the KLR.

There are photos of Isaac also.

He is listed as two numbers 073795 or 305673, we can rule out the 305673 as that is the other number for our 2533 chap. 

The other number, drop the 0 and put in 73795, there is a medal card for an Isaac Williams KLR and Labour Corps, sadly unable to get onto FMP and Ancestry right now, so hopefully someone else can, fingers crossed, this is your man!

 

Chris

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Thanks Chris, that is our website page which I'm trying to count him in or out of the KLR.

Todays forum has discounted #2533 leaving just my slim punt of #73795, the Labour Corps chap.

Would an educated guy be in the L.Corps ?

 

Williams. Isaac Rhystyd (Univ.). Born March 18, 1881, at Liverpool.
B.A., 1903.
Liverpool University : B.A., 1904.
Assistant Master, Boaler Street School, Liverpool.
45, Rock field Road, An field, Liverpool.

Williams, James Griffith (Univ.). Born December 15, 1878, at Liverpool.
B.A., 1901.
Liverpool University : M.A., 1906.
Assistant Master, Anfield Road Council Schools, Liverpool.
45, Rockfield Road, Anfield, Liverpool.

 

Thanks

Dave

 

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Aah, sorry Dave, didn't know that.

I'll did deeper into the 73795 Williams.

Good site by the way:thumbsup:

 

Chris

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I've just downloaded this one for free off Ancestry, says he was a Sjt KLR

 

Name:Isaac Williams

Regiment or Corps:The King's (Liverpool) Regiment, Labour Corps

Regimental Number:71459,46803

 

also Pte's

Name:Isaac Williams

Regiment or Corps:The King's (Liverpool) Regiment, Labour Corps

Regimental Number:71049,43068

 

Name:Isaac Williams

Regiment or Corps:The King's (Liverpool) Regiment, Labour Corps

Regimental Number:64224,41875

 

Dave

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With no positive proof and no record of him serving on the NUT database either I'm going to list him in the club records as 'not serving in ww1'.

 

Dave

 

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How about 'Not known to have served in the Great War' ? Leaves the door open for fresh evidence in the future.

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That looks better terminology to me, thanks.

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