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Hello All,

 

I am starting to research my maternal grandfather's war history and I have very little to go on. Basically, all I know is that he lied about his age and joined young, and then served in the RAMC in Egypt and India.

 

The only information I have is his MIC and Medal Roll shown below:

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Leonard John Monks was born May 7, 1898 in Warrington. I do not have any photos of him in uniform but I do have a letter he wrote home in November 1918 from Deolali, India. The letter did not mention anything about his service but did say that he saw the Pyramids at Giza.

 

Ideally, I would like to find out:
1. How he ended up in the RAMC with no medical background?
2. What ship he may have sailed on to get to Egypt in 1915?
3. Which hospital, CSS, etc. he might have served at in Egypt?
4. How, why and when he ended up in India?

5. Which hospital, CSS, etc. he might have served at in India?
6. How and when he returned home?
7. etc.

 

Presumably he was, at least at first, part of the Egyptian Expeditionary Force: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Expeditionary_Force 

 

Any direction or information anyone can provide would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks

Peter

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charlie962
Posted (edited)

Peter,

He seems to have had an early interest in hygiene, winning one pound along with a thousand other in 1909 (aged 11?) in this soap competition.

              

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After the war his marriage cert shows him as an Assistant Foreman, (of what I don't know). So, as you say, no evidence of medical training.

 

Reasons for going into the RAMC ? Apart from concientious objectors and others who may have done it as a matter of priniple it might be because it was a unit that was recruiting locally, eg Territorials. Or perhaps a friend joining at the same time. Medical knowledge was not the foremost requirement. Stretcher bearers would ideally be able to provide  first aid or just strong enough to do a long carry. There were a host of practical and administrative jobs that needed all sorts of skills and perhaps he was a good organiser (foreman ?). The RAMC were also responsible for hygiene matters like water purity, I think. In Egypt and such hot climates the need to limit the spread of disease and sickness was a high priority but a very difficult task.

 

Charlie

 

Edit-  born 7/5/1898 so just cracked 17 years when he went overseas.

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Posted (edited)

If he hasn't got a surviving service record, perhaps one of the others on the same page of the 14-15 star roll has ? May give some clues but doesn't g'tee they went to same unit on arrival in Egypt.

 

For example Sgt Wm Ernest Mason has discharge papers, I think, on FMP but cannnot find them on Ancestry.

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PJS

Thanks Charlie. Winner of a Soap competition? He kept that quiet.

 

1 hour ago, charlie962 said:

If he hasn't got a surviving service record, perhaps one of the others on the same page of the 14-15 star roll has ? May give some clues but doesn't g'tee they went to same unit on arrival in Egypt.

 

For example Sgt Wm Ernest Mason has discharge papers, I think, on FMP but cannnot find them on Ancestry.

 

I did dig into about a dozen other RAMC's with service numbers that were "close" to his but none of them went to Egypt. I did not have the star roll page you found so I will go through them all and see what I can find. Thanks again for digging this up it's given me a good lead.

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TEW

I've had a quick look at close numbers and don't think there will be much to go on. As Charlie said far better to go by other RAMC men with 1914-15 Star and date of entry 30/5/1915.

 

But do note that Monk's 1914-15 Star roll is arranged alphabetically by first letter of surname. So he's in piece 2908 which is K to P.

 

I think you need to find as many men as you can find across the rolls with date of entry 30/5/1915.

 

Then of course you may find they are all reinforcements and sent all over the place. Also, if a man had a prolonged period of illness or injury his place would be filled by another and he could be sent to another unit.

TEW

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charlie962

When I tried to have a go at service records I found Ancestry absolutely hopeless to get any search results. Findmypast seems to have a good indexing system and search results very easy to get. But I don't have an FMP sub so cannot go into detail. Am I doing something wrong on Ancestry or has their search facilty gone downhill ? Sorry I can't be more help.

Charlie

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45 minutes ago, TEW said:

I've had a quick look at close numbers and don't think there will be much to go on. As Charlie said far better to go by other RAMC men with 1914-15 Star and date of entry 30/5/1915.

 

But do note that Monk's 1914-15 Star roll is arranged alphabetically by first letter of surname. So he's in piece 2908 which is K to P.

 

I think you need to find as many men as you can find across the rolls with date of entry 30/5/1915.

 

Then of course you may find they are all reinforcements and sent all over the place. Also, if a man had a prolonged period of illness or injury his place would be filled by another and he could be sent to another unit.

TEW

 

I've been trawling through the records and I have the following list so far:

 

30-5-15(3)
46841 Sgt WE Mason
30206 Sgt AE Minter
40354 Pvt GA Morgan
44376 Pvt G Mooney
43508 Pvt AC Mole
11243 Pvt G Meagher
32837 Pvt P Murphy
43268 Pvt F Mycock
11128 Pvt WF Manser
11482 Pvt J Malone
44544 Pvt HA North
35154 Pvt S Ogden
45272 Cpl AA Overton
43958 Pvt TW Padley
43523 Pvt J Peacock
45277 Pvt H Pearce
43968 Pvt R Phillipson
44551 Pvt C Pryor
45162 Cpl TE Pugh

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15 hours ago, charlie962 said:

After the war his marriage cert shows him as an Assistant Foreman, (of what I don't know). So, as you say, no evidence of medical training.

 

 

It occurred to me (i.e. reminded me) after looking at this that he lived on Lovely Lane.

 

50 Lovely Lane, Warrington is less than 1/2 mile from, what is today called Warrington & Halton Hospitals. In 1914 it was simply called Warrington General Hospital.

The site used to be a workhouse. During the 1st World War, the site became home to Whitecross Military Hospital. In 1898 the workhouse infirmary became Warrington General Hospital.

 

Source:  http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Warrington/

 

So, perhaps the proximity of the Hospital had some bearing on him joining the RAMC. Just a thought.

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On 28/05/2018 at 15:28, charlie962 said:

If he hasn't got a surviving service record, perhaps one of the others on the same page of the 14-15 star roll has ? May give some clues but doesn't g'tee they went to same unit on arrival in Egypt.

 

I have now been through all 354 pages of the 14-15 Star roll and can add the following list of men that arrived in Egypt on 30-5-1915:

 

43898 Pvt W McEvoy
43944 Pvt A McLean
47148 Pvt J McKenzie
11384 Pvt J McParland
45151 Cpl R Laws
44949 Pvt J Ledson
44375 Pvt SHG Lane
46937 Pvt E Leppard
33836 Pvt CF Lloyd
46575 Pvt TH Lord
43940 Pvt AW Lee
43943 Pvt J Leslie
44274 Pvt JE Killick
11121 Pvt WS Kipling
 

So far I have not found any service records for any of the 19 men I posted yesterday. I am searching on Ancestry because I no longer have a subscription to FMP. 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, PJS said:

I am searching on Ancestry because I no longer have a subscription to FMP. 

I am in the same situation. It doesn't stop you doing the initial search on FMP though which gives you an idea if there should be a service  record- eg for Sgt Mason. Very frustrating.

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TEW

PJS,

 

My opinion is that FMP has the better and more accurate search function, plus you can do one search in the service and the pension records whereas Ancestry would need 2 different searches. Having said that there are records on Ancestry that FMP don't have and vice verse.

 

I noticed on FMP that some of the men with numbers starting 11 have had an extra 1 stuck in which then suggests there are two men with the same number so you need care to make sure the correct number is on the sheet rather than just go by the index results.

 

I did find two (I think) from your 1st list, surnames starting with M but I saw nothing on their early service. McEvoy also has a record but that's mostly concerned with post war material as he re-enlisted 1919.

 

Leppard also has a record, discharged from 230 Field Ambulance 1919. Oddly his B.103 has him leaving Devonport 1/6/15 and arriving Egypt 13/6/15 and initially with 17 Gen Hospital. But medal roll gives date of entry as 30/5/15. Ended up back in France.

 

If you want to hunt for more RAMC men with medal roll stating date of entry as 30/5/1915. Head back to Monk's 1914-15 roll on ancestry. On the right hand side there should be 3 small icons towards the top. Click the middle one and make sure source is selected. You should see that his medal roll is piece 2908. Use the drop down arrow on the piece number and you can select EG Piece 2909 which starts with Purvis and ends on Walton, another 350 ish pages I'm afraid.

 

TEW

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4 minutes ago, TEW said:

If you want to hunt for more RAMC men with medal roll stating date of entry as 30/5/1915. Head back to Monk's 1914-15 roll on ancestry. On the right hand side there should be 3 small icons towards the top. Click the middle one and make sure source is selected. You should see that his medal roll is piece 2908. Use the drop down arrow on the piece number and you can select EG Piece 2909 which starts with Purvis and ends on Walton, another 350 ish pages I'm afraid.

 

TEW 

 

TEW, Thank you very much for that, I was planning to ask how to get the other rolls but you beat me to it.

 

I agree that FMP has a simpler and superior search function than Ancestry but it's cost prohibitive to maintain paid subscriptions to both. I also get clobbered with credit card foreign exchange fees since I pay in US dollars.

 

I think I will build my list first and then grapple with Ancestry/FMP later ...

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Chris_Baker

If you can find him in an Absent Voters List there is a chance it will give his unit.

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28 minutes ago, Chris_Baker said:

If you can find him in an Absent Voters List there is a chance it will give his unit.

 

Thanks for the suggestion. I can't find an Absent Voters list for Warrington (which was in Lancashire in 1919) although I did get a hit for an "L. Monks" in Altrincham, Cheshire on FMP - but that can't be him.

 

I believe that he was too young to be listed prior to May 1919 and by that time he was probably back (although he did have to get back from India and that can't have been quick).

 

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TEW

I found 3 more in the first 100 pages of Piece 2906 ; 43202 Addinell, 44004 Arnot & 43803 Anderson, the last 2 have existing records. Combined with Mason, McEvoy & Leppard the 5 records are painting an odd picture.

 

They are leaving different UK ports on different dates and obviously on different vessels.

 

McEvoy's record suggests he actually arrived in Egypt 15/5/1915 but has medal entitlement date of 30/5/1915.

 

Leppard's record suggests he left Devonport 1/6/15 and was with BSF (British Salonika Force) from 13/6/1915. Perhaps the 30/5/15 date on his MIC stems from when he left the UK which is odd.

 

The other 3 records seem to concur with the MIC date and Theatre but they have varying service from 30/5/15. One is sent off to Salonika possibly on Hospital Ship Guildford Castle the others with General Hospitals or Field Ambulances.

TEW

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Here are the rest that I found (still need to do 2906):

 

1914-1915 Star RAMC Piece 2909:
44078 Pvt W Schofield
46611 Pvt A Shackleton
43293 Pvt AE Smith
11265 Pvt G Smith
43732 Pvt J Smith
44175 Pvt P Smethurst
44554 Pvt F Sims
44552 Pvt JE Stainsby
45291 Cpl P Strike
43987 Pvt I Shepherd*    Convicted FGCM 19/1/17
52066 Pvt AL Thompson
52066 L/Cpl AE Tipping
11270 Pvt JH Tonks
47155 Sgt W Tullett
11447 Pvt WH Tripp
57933 Pvt JH Trumshaw
44978 Pvt W Turner
45193 Cpl P Toss
11273 Pvt VW Vines
11277 Pvt WJ Vine
46561 Cpl H Whittaker
44098 Sgt AB Whale
43252 Pvt BH Wiliams
43594 Pvt GH Williams
11351 Pvt T Wilderspin
7017  Pvt W Wilkinson*  (Really is 7017)
44194 L/Cpl W Wilson
11357 Pvt HA Wilson      Star returned. Issued from Middx Roll.
43560 Pvt GT Walden
46579 Pvt E Watkins
45100 Pvt AW White

 

1914-1915 Star RAMC Piece 2907:
45130 Pvt F Edwards
11293 Pvt A Farmer
49348 Pvt GTR Francis
45402 Pvt H Firth
36851 Sgt FJ Filsell
11464 Pvt GCB Forge
47243 Cpl CL Gibbons
19009 Pvt A Gibb
46060 Pvt W Golightly
44036 Pvt R Grundy
46614 Pvt SC Greenhouse
44346 Cpl G Grierson
44992 Pvt TJ Hardwick
43928 Pvt F Hartley
47608 Pvt JT Handcock
36401 Pvt WT Hallam
43468 Cpl FH Huddlestone
43245 Pvt SW Hodson
54044 Cpl FJ Holden
43480 Pvt F Holford
51869 Pvt FJ Howe
44040 Pvt J Hoey
44431 Pvt G Holt
59919 Sgt CH Hooper
44359 Pvt JC Higdon
59802 Pvt A Hilton
11110 Pvt H Hewitt
45081 Sgt JL Jones
47186 Pvt JH Joslin
44276 Sgt H Jackson
11430 Pvt H Jackson
53143 Pvt AL Jenner
44267 Sgt E Jones

 

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The full list from 2906 is below ...

 

1914-1915 Star RAMC Piece 2906:
43202 Pvt A Addinell
44004 Cpl G Arnott
43803 Pvt DW Anderson
44218 Pvt GF Butler
11178 Pvt B Brittain
10079 Bglr J Bird    (Bugler?)
44335 Pvt CW Cavill
10994 Pvt H Clarkson
44514 Pvt SG Clarke
11091 Pvt H Clews
47010 Pvt FW Christmas
44326 Sgt G Cooke
61077 Pvt J Coady
44329 Pvt JE Cordaroy
11185 Pvt WH Cole
44017 Pvt F Cox
35209 Cpl W Cotter
45032 Cpl TJ Crawford
11190 Pvt J Caldwell
43849 Pvt C Caulton
43436 Pvt WC Davis
47112 Pvt W Davie
50375 Pvt HT Dodds
45043 Pvt AE Downes
49570 Pvt T Downing
43434 Sgt T Dixon

 

Not clear to me why a Bugler was needed in the RAMC but he was sent to Egypt on 30-5-1915 nevertheless.

 

 

 

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Posted (edited)

And just to round off this morning's postings, Leonard John Monks' service number was 11434 and the 4 men below are pulled from the lists above and have similar numbers (for what that's worth):

 

11430 Pvt H Jackson
11447 Pvt WH Tripp
11464 Pvt GCB Forge
11482 Pvt J Malone

 

But there are no Service Records for any of these 4 men on Ancestry or FMP that I can find.

Edited by PJS
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TEW

That's quite a list!!

 

I think things are getter more complicated with regards to the date given for Date of Disembarkation which gives the date for the entitlement for the 1914-15 Star.

 

Either for admin purposes they are rounding up men arriving in Egypt on different dates and assigning them the date of 30/5/1915.

 

Or they are making a lot of mistakes.

 

Or some men are assigned the date of 30/5/1915 when they leave a UK port.

 

File for 61077 Coady says; enlisted 10/7/1915. Embarked 2/8/1915, disembarked Egypt 12/8/1915 but his medal roll states disembarked 30/5/1915.

 

I don't mind going through a batch of numbers looking for files as long as we don't do the same batch. But I think the picture will become muddier as more files get found.

TEW

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11 minutes ago, TEW said:

That's quite a list!!

 

I think things are getter more complicated with regards to the date given for Date of Disembarkation which gives the date for the entitlement for the 1914-15 Star.

 

Either for admin purposes they are rounding up men arriving in Egypt on different dates and assigning them the date of 30/5/1915.

 

Or they are making a lot of mistakes.

 

Or some men are assigned the date of 30/5/1915 when they leave a UK port.

 

File for 61077 Coady says; enlisted 10/7/1915. Embarked 2/8/1915, disembarked Egypt 12/8/1915 but his medal roll states disembarked 30/5/1915.

 

I don't mind going through a batch of numbers looking for files as long as we don't do the same batch. But I think the picture will become muddier as more files get found.

TEW

 

Yes, it's a big list!  I also noted a number of men with dates of 29-5-1915 arriving in Egypt. Not sure whether this means that there were two (or more) ships or whether one block of men did not disembark until the next day. Or, as you indicate, some kind of administration error.

 

I am currently going through the entire list finding those men with Service Records. I am using the link below which allows a more rapid search. The site is owned by FMP but it's slightly cheaper to subscribe to since it's focused directly on WW1. It's free to search, free to view MiCs but you pay to see Service Records, etc.

 

https://search.livesofthefirstworldwar.org/search/world-records/armed-forces-and-conflict?firstname=g&firstname_variants=true&lastname=holt&keywords=44431

 

I am almost done. Will post the revised list in about an hour - work permitting.

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charlie962

It is unusual to find so many discrepencies in landing dates. Yes in the past I've found emebark date and land dates have been used but 'rounding' is new to me. Sorry not to be able to give more help in the digging!

Charlie

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Posted (edited)

Here is what I have (excuse the formatting):

 

Summary List of men with Service Records:

1914-1915 Star RAMC Piece 2908:

46841 Sgt WE Mason                      Y              MiC        William Ernest b.1890

40354 Pvt GA Morgan                     Y              MiC        George Albert b.1886

43968 Pvt R Phillipson                     Y              MiC        Richard

43898 Pvt W McEvoy                       Y              MiC        William

46937 Pvt E Leppard                       Y              MiC        Ernest

 

1914-1915 Star RAMC Piece 2909:

44078 Pvt W Schofield                    Y              MiC        William b.1884/b.1885

11270 Pvt JH Tonks                         Y              X                             Joseph Henry

47155 Sgt W Tullett                         X             MiCx2   William

11277 Pvt WJ Vine                          Y              MiC        William Joseph

43594 Pvt GH Williams                    Y              MiC        Griffiths H

7017  Pvt W Wilkinson                    X             MiCx2   William

 

1914-1915 Star RAMC Piece 2907:

11293 Pvt A Farmer                        Y              MiC        Alfred

43928 Pvt F Hartley                        Y              MiC        Frederick             Burnley

44431 Pvt G Holt                            Y              MiC        George, b.1894

11110 Pvt H Hewitt                          Y              MiC        Harry

 

1914-1915 Star RAMC Piece 2906:

44004 Cpl G Arnott                         Y              MiC        George b.1884
43803 Pvt DW Anderson                 Y              MiC        David Wilkie
44335 Pvt CW Cavill                        Y              MiC        Charles William b.1890
10994 Pvt H Clarkson                      Y              MiC        Harold
11091 Pvt H Clews                           Y              MiCx2   Harry
61077 Pvt J Coady                          Y              MiC        Joseph b.1897
44329 Pvt JE Cordaroy                   Y              MiC        Edward Joseph b.1885
 

 

Full List of all men:

 

1914-1915 Star RAMC Piece 2908:
46841 Sgt WE Mason        Y    MiC    William Ernest b.1890
30206 Sgt AE Minter        X    MiC    Albert E
40354 Pvt GA Morgan        Y    MiC    George Albert b.1886
44376 Pvt G Mooney        X    MiC    George
43508 Pvt AC Mole        X    MiC    Alfred C
11243 Pvt G Meagher        X    MiC    George
32837 Pvt P Murphy        X    MiC    Patrick
43268 Pvt F Mycock        X    MiC    Frank
11128 Pvt WF Manser        X    MiC    Wilson F
11482 Pvt J Malone        X    MiC    John
44544 Pvt HA North        X    MiC    Henry A
35154 Pvt S Ogden        X    MiC    Sydney
45272 Cpl AA Overton        X    MiC    Arthur A
43958 Pvt TW Padley        X    MiC    Thomas W
43523 Pvt J Peacock        X    MiC    John
45277 Pvt H Pearce        X    MiC    Harry
43968 Pvt R Phillipson        Y    MiC    Richard
44551 Pvt C Pryor        X    MiC    Charles T
45162 Cpl TE Pugh        X    MiC    Thomas E
43898 Pvt W McEvoy        Y    MiC    William
43944 Pvt A McLean        X    MiC    Alex
47148 Pvt J McKenzie        X    MiC    James
11384 Pvt J McParland        X    MiC
45151 Cpl R Laws        X    MiC    Robert
44949 Pvt J Ledson        X    MiC    John
44375 Pvt SHG Lane        X    MiC    Stephen HG
46937 Pvt E Leppard        Y    MiC    Ernest
33836 Pvt CF Lloyd        X    X
46575 Pvt TH Lord        X    MiC    Thomas H
43940 Pvt AW Lee        X    MiC    Alfred W
43943 Pvt J Leslie        X    MiC    John
44274 Pvt JE Killick        X    MiC    John E
11121 Pvt WS Kipling        X    MiC
 
1914-1915 Star RAMC Piece 2909:
44078 Pvt W Schofield        Y    MiC    William b.1884/b.1885
46611 Pvt A Shackleton        X    MiC    Arnold
43293 Pvt AE Smith        Y    MiC    Arther Edward    d.1917
11265 Pvt G Smith        X    MiCx2    George
43732 Pvt J Smith        X    MiCx2    James
44175 Pvt P Smethurst        X    MiC    Percy
44554 Pvt F Sims        X    MiC    Frederick
44552 Pvt JE Stainsby        X    MiC    James E
45291 Cpl P Strike        X    MiC    Phillip
43987 Pvt I Shepherd*        X    MiC    Convicted FGCM 19/1/17
52066 Pvt AL Thompson        X    MiC
52066 L/Cpl AE Tipping        X    MiC    Albert E
11270 Pvt JH Tonks        Y    X        Joseph Henry
47155 Sgt W Tullett        X    MiCx2    William
11447 Pvt WH Tripp        X    MiC    Walter H
57933 Pvt JH Trumshaw        X    MiC
44978 Pvt W Turner        X    MiC    William
45193 Cpl P Toss        X    X
11273 Pvt VW Vines        X    MiC
11277 Pvt WJ Vine        Y    MiC    William Joseph
46561 Cpl H Whittaker        X    MiC
44098 Sgt AB Whale        X    MiC    Arthur B
43252 Pvt BH Wiliams        X    MiC    Berwyn H
43594 Pvt GH Williams        Y    MiC    Griffiths H
11351 Pvt T Wilderspin        X    MiC    Thomas
7017  Pvt W Wilkinson        X    MiCx2    William
44194 L/Cpl W Wilson        X    MiC    William
11357 Pvt HA Wilson          X    MiC    Henry A    Star returned. Issued from Middx Roll.
43560 Pvt GT Walden        X    MiC    George T
46579 Pvt E Watkins        Y    MiC    Ernest b.1883
45100 Pvt AW White        X    MiC    Alfred W
 
1914-1915 Star RAMC Piece 2907:
45130 Pvt F Edwards        X    MiC    Francis
11293 Pvt A Farmer        Y    MiC    Alfred
49348 Pvt GTR Francis        X    MiC    George TR
45402 Pvt H Firth        X    MiC    Harry
36851 Sgt FJ Filsell        X    MiCx2    Frederick John
11464 Pvt GCB Forge        X    MiC    George CB
47243 Cpl CL Gibbons        X    MiC    Charles L
19009 Pvt A Gibb        X    MiC    Arhibald
46060 Pvt W Golightly        X    MiC    William
44036 Pvt R Grundy        X    MiC    Ralph
46614 Pvt SC Greenhouse        X    MiC    Sydney Charles
44346 Cpl G Grierson        X    MiC    George
44992 Pvt TJ Hardwick        X    MiC    Thomas J
43928 Pvt F Hartley        Y    MiC    Frederick    Burnley
47608 Pvt JT Handcock        X    MiC    John T
36401 Pvt WT Hallam        X    MiC    William T
43468 Cpl FH Huddlestone    X    MiC    Frank H
43245 Pvt SW Hodson        X    MiC    Samuel W
54044 Cpl FJ Holden        X    MiC        Frederick James
43480 Pvt F Holford        X    MiC        Frank
51869 Pvt FJ Howe        X    MiC        Frederick J
44040 Pvt J Hoey        X    MiC        John
44431 Pvt G Holt        Y    MiC        George, b.1894
59919 Sgt CH Hooper        X    MiC        ?
44359 Pvt JC Higdon        X    MiC        Joseph C
59802 Pvt A Hilton        X    MiCx3   Arthur
11110 Pvt H Hewitt        Y    MiC        Harry
45081 Sgt JL Jones        X    MiC        John L
47186 Pvt JH Joslin        X    MiC

 

1914-1915 Star RAMC Piece 2906:
43202 Pvt A Addinell        X    MiC    Arthur
44004 Cpl G Arnott        Y    MiC    George b.1884
43803 Pvt DW Anderson        Y    MiC    David Wilkie
44218 Pvt GF Butler        X    MiC    George F
11178 Pvt B Brittain        Y    MiC    Bert
10079 Bglr J Bird    (Bugler?)    X    MiC    John
44335 Pvt CW Cavill        Y    MiC    Charles William b.1890
10994 Pvt H Clarkson        Y    MiC    Harold

44514 Pvt SG Clarke        X    MiC
11091 Pvt H Clews        Y    MiCx2    Harry
47010 Pvt FW Christmas        X    MiC    Frederick W
44326 Sgt G Cooke        X    MiC    George
61077 Pvt J Coady        Y    MiC    Joseph b.1897
44329 Pvt JE Cordaroy        Y    MiC    Edward Joseph b.1885

11185 Pvt WH Cole        X    MiC    Walter H
44017 Pvt F Cox            X    X
35209 Cpl W Cotter        X    MiC    William
45032 Cpl TJ Crawford        X    MiC    Thomas J
11190 Pvt J Caldwell        X    MiC    Joseph
43849 Pvt C Caulton        X    MiC    Charles
43436 Pvt WC Davis        X    MiC    William C
47112 Pvt W Davie        X    MiC    William
50375 Pvt HT Dodds        X    MiC    Henry T
45043 Pvt AE Downes        X    MiC    
49570 Pvt T Downing        X    MiC    Thomas
43434 Sgt T Dixon        X    MiC    

 

 

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46 minutes ago, charlie962 said:

It is unusual to find so many discrepencies in landing dates. Yes in the past I've found emebark date and land dates have been used but 'rounding' is new to me. Sorry not to be able to give more help in the digging!

Charlie

 

Perhaps (hopefully) some clarity will emerge if we can analyze some more records.

 

1 hour ago, TEW said:

I don't mind going through a batch of numbers looking for files as long as we don't do the same batch. But I think the picture will become muddier as more files get found.

TEW

 

I think that I am done for the day (I really must do some work) but I will take the list from 2906 and find their Service Records.

 

Thank you both again for your help.

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When you're faced with the issue in these two images for 61077 Coady in Piece 2906 I don't think you're going to resolve any service for Monk this way. Just because Monk's Medal Roll says he arrived in Egypt 30/5/1915 doesn't mean he did! so trying to match his service to another man's Medal Roll (EG Coady) who 'arrived' in Egypt 30/5/1915 is flawed.

 

I have noticed a few of the men in the lists arrived in Egypt (on different dates) but came under 21 GH or 17 GH. Those diaries are not digitised but perhaps they might note something on these men. I realise that's impossible from your location, sorry.

TEW

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Thinking about it, the number of men on that RAMC roll with Egypt 30/5/15 seemed suspiciously large anyway. I agree that in this case the exercise is flawed; normally it is reasonable.

Charlie

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