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Large Musical Band Lots of Insignia Badges Please Help ID


GreyC

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Hi,

here is a photo I got with others I already posted.

This photo seems to show a regimental (?) band with officers, all in all 40 soldiers, that wear all sorts of badges chevrons, etc. As stated before, the British uniforms are not my forte´, so I hope you can help me identify the badges etc. and maybe identify the unit of this band.

 

To make things easier I numbered the items in question. I included my prposal , if I thought I might recognize sth. I do depend on your help, though and really welcome your suggestions.

GreyC

Thanks to wexflyer, Charlie 962 and Charlie2  this is the update

 

Number

Meaning

01

Somerset Light Infantry

02

Possibly Devonshire Regt

03

might be Gloucestershire  

04

Dorsetshire Regt

05

Possibly Devonshire Regt

06

Hampshire Regt

07

 7 Dorsetshire (particularly with sphinx collars)

08

Lt. Colonel

09

Musician/Bandsman Badge

10

Lance Corporal?

11

Leopard fur?

12

Good conduct stripe

13

rank badges for a drum major.

14

the rank badges for a drum major

15

probably a couple of overseas service chevrons, slightly crumpled

16

Wound stripe?

17

the rank badges for a drum major

 

 

Musicians.jpg.fea3045a134c89f8b1ce4f6a632f69fe.jpgMusiciansAssorted.jpg.68163f8952deeeb2d6a060332078db18.jpg

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16 is a wound stripe as you said.

15 is probably a couple of overseas service chevrons, slightly crumpled

12 is a Good Conduct stripe

 

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Wexflyer said:

14 and 17 are the rank badges for a drum major

ie the inverted stripes plus the metal drum badge above (which you may have numbered 13 ?)

 

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Cap Badges- I am ready to be shot down-  might 3 be Gloucestershire and 7 Dorsetshire (particularly with sphinx collars)

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Hi!

Thank you very much Wexflyer and Charlie 962! That helps a lot.

I have corrected and supplemented the table in my post with your contributions.

Now that you seem to have identified all participating units, I wonder what the unit or the occasion is, that brought them together to form a band under the command (?) of a Lieutenant Colonel. To his left I spot a Captain, I think.

GreyC

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1 is Somerset Light Infantry

3 is Gloucestershire Regt

2 & 5 Possibly Devonshire Regt

4 Dorsetshire Regt

 

Charlie

 

Edit. 6 - Hampshire Regt

Edit 2.  9 - Musician/Bandsman Badge

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11

 the leopard skin I think is still worn today by a drummer {bass?} ceremonial use?

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Hello!

A brilliant photo and brilliant jobs to ID the units!

I´m impressed of the Leopard tunic! What´s its history, please?

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27 minutes ago, The Prussian said:

I´m impressed of the Leopard tunic! What´s its history, please?

 

Locally sourced from sustainable leopards... (not).

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Hello!

So not an indicator of troops served in Africa or Asia?

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According to the musicians I´ve got a photo of a Serjeant-Major and Bandmaster of the Band of the Royal Regiment of Artillery (maybe Albert Mansfield).

I think I showed the photo here before, but I can´t find it no more...

Royal Rgt. of Artillery  (Serjeant Albert Mansfield).jpg

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20 minutes ago, The Prussian said:

Hello!

So not an indicator of troops served in Africa or Asia?

 

No. Leopards are after all the animals on the arms of England.

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Ah, ok. Thanks a lot! I didn´t know that!

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3 hours ago, The Prussian said:

Hello!

A brilliant photo and brilliant jobs to ID the units!

I´m impressed of the Leopard tunic! What´s its history, please?

 

Andy, The leopard skins have more to do with the employment of Africans as Drummers/Musicians. http://www.calgaryhighlanders.com/traditions/regimentaldress/skins.htm

 

GreyC, 

The soldier 4th from the left in the back row looks to be wearing the capbadge of the Wiltshire Regt.

 

The Dress and Buglecords are most probably green as worn by non-royal regiments.

 

The intruments on display and the presence of only a Drum Major and no Bandmaster indicate that the photo is of a Corps of Drums rather than a band. From the mix of regiments, which are all from the Southwest of England, I think the soldiers are probably from a training establishment. 

 

The lack of WW1 medal ribbons being worn by the Officers and SNCOs and the wound stripe worn by the Drum Major would date the photo between late 1916 and about 1919/20.

 

In the top right hand corner are what appear to be cranes for unloading ships and what also looks to be a river or a harbour, perhaps they were waiting to welcome a ship.

 

Charlie

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Suggests to me in line with Charlie2 a  Training Brigade or Divisional Corps of Drums.

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3 is definitely Glosters 

Michelle 

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Hi,

thank you Charlie2 ,  HeritagePlus and Michelle Young!

GreyC

14 hours ago, GreyC said:

Hi,

here is a photo I got with others I already posted.

This photo seems to show a regimental (?) band with officers, all in all 40 soldiers, that wear all sorts of badges chevrons, etc. As stated before, the British uniforms are not my forte´, so I hope you can help me identify the badges etc. and maybe identify the unit of this band.

 

To make things easier I numbered the items in question. I included my prposal , if I thought I might recognize sth. I do depend on your help, though and really welcome your suggestions.

GreyC

Thanks to wexflyer, Charlie 962 and Charlie2  this is the update

 

Number

Meaning

01

Somerset Light Infantry

02

Possibly Devonshire Regt

03

 Gloucestershire  

04

Dorsetshire Regt

05

Possibly Devonshire Regt

06

Hampshire Regt

07

 7 Dorsetshire (particularly with sphinx collars)

08

Lt. Colonel

09

Musician/Bandsman Badge

10

Lance Corporal?

11

Leopard fur?

12

Good conduct stripe

13

rank badges for a drum major.

14

the rank badges for a drum major

15

probably a couple of overseas service chevrons, slightly crumpled

16

Wound stripe?

17

the rank badges for a drum major

 

 

Musicians.jpg.fea3045a134c89f8b1ce4f6a632f69fe.jpgMusiciansAssorted.jpg.68163f8952deeeb2d6a060332078db18.jpg

 

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3 hours ago, charlie2 said:

In the top right hand corner

Well spotted Charlie. Eyes like a hawk!

 

3 hours ago, charlie2 said:

date the photo between late 1916 and about 1919/20.

If those are overseas service chevrons in 15  then the photo must be 1918 or after ?

 

Charlie962

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29 minutes ago, charlie962 said:

 

If those are overseas service chevrons in 15  then the photo must be 1918 or after ?

 

Charlie962

 

Thanks for the correction Charlie, that narrows things down quite a lot.

 

GreyC

Drum Major is not a rank but an appointment, he could hold the rank of Sgt, C/Sgt or WO2 and would always be addressed by all lower ranks as “Sir” regardless of his rank. If things haven’t changed in the last 100 years, the Drum Major in the photo holds the rank of Sgt. C/Sgt and WO2 wore a crown between the stripes and the drum.

 

Charlie2

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