Droocoo Posted 17 May , 2018 Share Posted 17 May , 2018 Hi all, Pte 575 John Sloan 27th Bn AIF stated on his enlistment papers, that he had served 2 1/2 years in the Royal Navy prior to him joining the AIF in 1915. Would anyone be able to find a record for this previous service? I do not profess to be at all proficient in researching RN service Thank you in advance, Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little bob Posted 17 May , 2018 Share Posted 17 May , 2018 Unable to find a record for a John Sloan born in Ireland. However have found John Sloan born in Glasgow 26 October 1885, joined the Royal Navy 31 August 1905. Stoker 1st Class , his last ship being H M S Encounter part of the Australia Squadron. On 8 November in Sydney he ran (deserted) Wonder if there is any connection. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droocoo Posted 17 May , 2018 Author Share Posted 17 May , 2018 Bob, Sloan’s military record with the AIF consists of a series of drunken offences and AWOL’s. Do you think that he may have enlisted under false pretences? Kindest Regards, Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wexflyer Posted 17 May , 2018 Share Posted 17 May , 2018 (edited) Could you post what you make out for the details of the next-of-kin, in red? The supposed Irish address is unfamiliar and suspicious looking to me. (Nit pick: why do you say he was an Australian in the Royal Navy, when he was not an Australian when serving with them?) Edited 17 May , 2018 by Wexflyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little bob Posted 17 May , 2018 Share Posted 17 May , 2018 Andrew Had another look for records and by spelling his name Sloane have come up with a chap born in Dublin 23 May 1899, another possible. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wexflyer Posted 17 May , 2018 Share Posted 17 May , 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, little bob said: Andrew Had another look for records and by spelling his name Sloane have come up with a chap born in Dublin 23 May 1899, another possible. Bob Surely way too young! Irish Genealogy website shows 55 "John Sloan"s born in Ireland between 1880 and 1890! Edited 17 May , 2018 by Wexflyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wexflyer Posted 17 May , 2018 Share Posted 17 May , 2018 There is a John Sloan of approximately the right age living in Dublin in 1901, born Scotland. John Sloan, 1901 Census, Dublin, Ireland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little bob Posted 17 May , 2018 Share Posted 17 May , 2018 Oops finger trouble date of birth should have read 23 May 1889. (Exit stage left) Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droocoo Posted 17 May , 2018 Author Share Posted 17 May , 2018 Thank you Wexflyer and Bob, The address in red reads "Mrs ?(Mullen), Lower Killen, ?(Hulny) Bridge, Ireland" May be noted that he had a tattoo on his right fore-arm on enlistment. Here are his details Kindest Regards, Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wexflyer Posted 17 May , 2018 Share Posted 17 May , 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Droocoo said: Thank you Wexflyer and Bob, The address in red reads "Mrs ?(Mullen), Lower Killen, ?(Hulny) Bridge, Ireland" Andrew This shows that he was Catholic - which also fits with the fellow in the 1901 census in Dublin, in my previous post. Can you make out the words in red, directly above "Ireland"? Edited 17 May , 2018 by Wexflyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droocoo Posted 17 May , 2018 Author Share Posted 17 May , 2018 Wexflyer, Yes it does fit with that Is it "Newry" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droocoo Posted 17 May , 2018 Author Share Posted 17 May , 2018 The details of his NOK further on in the papers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droocoo Posted 17 May , 2018 Author Share Posted 17 May , 2018 And the plot thickens....it seems as though on another form, his correct name was stated as "Patrick McGinnity". Dated a long time after the war 13/5/40 This form lists him as living at 214 Arden Street, North Melbourne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 18 May , 2018 Share Posted 18 May , 2018 He is certainly going to a lot of trouble to hide his identity I cannot find him in Irish Birth records under Patrick McGinnity/McGinty nor as Mullan I cannot get him in Irish census in 1901 under any of these names One can say that he has knowledge of Co Louth, Black Rock and Flurry Bridge are not places that you would put down unless you knew of them At a guess I would say his mother was Ann Mullen, but I cannot establish her either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little bob Posted 18 May , 2018 Share Posted 18 May , 2018 Records at the National Archives, Royal Navy ratings service records 1853-1928 , show no record for Patrick McGinnity or McGinty . The plot thickens. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 18 May , 2018 Share Posted 18 May , 2018 His Aus Service Record shows he dies 13 Mar 1941. Victorian deaths shows age 60, ie born 1881 ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 18 May , 2018 Share Posted 18 May , 2018 Mate, The Royal Navy men appear in ALH records from time to time. Like; BIDMEADE Harold Morgan 315 Pte 03 LHR RHQ AAMC Medical Orderly WIA 2-9-15 dysentry & shock at Quinns Post (G) att 7 San Sect 6-16 to 1 LHTR 10-16 disch 14-6-17 MU Ex A Sect/3 LHFA (94) DNE (Boer War 5 VMR (1197) WIA 21-8-00 accident at Biviaan's Poort & 2 ACH (690) AKA Harold Morgan Rose) (Royal Navy deserted) different name from mother Mary Bidmeade nee Rose (CMF 1 year) Just some others AIKEN Frederick William 22981 Spr Sig GSR tos 1 LH Sig Sqn 11-18 att 2 LH Sig Troop 4-19 rtn 5-19 married before emb (Royal Navy 10 years & RAN 2 years) ALLEN James William 987 Spr 4 LH Sig Trp HQ 8-15 (G) to Cpl 4 Div Sig Co 3-16 to Sgt 3-17 prom 2/Lt F&B Ex 1 Div Sig Co DNE AKA James William Cox (British Royal Navy HMS "Artheusa" 2 years) ARMSTRONG William Lincoln 2357 Pte ICC 9R to 18Co/4Bn ICC 7-17 to CSqn/14 LHR 8-18 (Boer War Royal Navy) ASHFORTH Edward McKellow 17561 Spr 1 Div Cav Sig Sqn 1R Mesoptamia Tos Basrah 6-17 to Cpl 8-17 to 1 Wls Sig Sqn 5-18 (British Royal Navy RNR 3 years) BAILEY James Henry 20008 Pte AAMC GR June 1918 R tos 4 LHFA 8-18 (British Royal Navy 3 years) BARBER Sidney 506 Cpl 2 LH Sig Troop HQ to Sgt Sig Sect 2-15 att Hamilton's GHQ 4-15 landed with 29 Div at Cape Helles rtn 5-15 to Troop SM 8-15 (G) to CSM 5 Div Sig Co 3-16 prom 2/Lt 5 Div Sig Co 11-16 F&B married Elsie Gilboy at Brentford UK Sept 1917 (British Royal Navy 6 years) BROWN Thomas 1011 Pte 8Bn CCo evac to hosp (dysentry) 8-15 rtn 12-15 (G) to 2Co/1Bn ICC 2-16 WIA 19-4-17 R/leg/buttock shot at 2nd Gaza rtn 6-17 to L/Cpl 11-17 to T/Cpl (from Morris) 12-17 to Cpl 4-18 to 14 LHR 7-18 RTA 1914 leave (British Royal Navy 4 years) BUCKLEY George Thomas 1613 Pte 7 LHR 12R Tos 12-15 to 12Co/3Bn ICC 7-16 WIA 23-3-17 L/Leg shot at 1st Gaza to 11Co/3Bn 5-18 to 15 LHR 7-18 (British Royal Navy 1908) BUTLER Frank Robert 47 Pte 11 LHR MG Sect att MG Sect/02 LHR 8-15 (G) disch 6-2-17 MU (British Royal Navy 5 years) BUXTON Frank Edgar 273 2/Cpl 1 Sqn AFC C Flight batman? N/R WIA 7-7-16 R/hand accident amputated fingers to War Chest Fund London UK 9-16 to Cpl 30 Trg Sqn RFC Shawbury UK 6-17 to Sgt 6 Trg Sqn AFC 1-18 to ARS 1 Wing 1-18 to Flt Sgt 3-18 to Chief Mech 12-18 (British Royal Navy 14 yeas) later WWII CARROLL William James 69 Pte 01 LHR MG Sect to 1 LH Bde HQ (41) 7-15 att 1 Div HQ 11-15 WIA 9-12-15 head shrapnel at Old No 3 Post (G) WIA 7-6-16 hand injury bomb near Tel el Kebir disch 29-12-16 (British 14th (King's) Hussars) 3 years and Royal Navy Res 5 years) CARTER James 705 Pte 03 LHR 2R tos A Sqn 4-15 (G) to L/Cpl 1-17 (British Royal Navy 8 years) CHAPMAN Frederick 17954 Spr 1+2 Fld Trps Tos ADS 7-17 to 1 LH FSE 3-19 att 6 LHR 4-19 rtn 6-19 Ex Pte FCo/1Bn AN&MEF (707) to Rabaul disch 18-1-15 (British RFA 3 years (1907-10) and Royal Navy 2 years (1910-12) COMBER John Henry Thomas 3336 Pte ICC 12R to 18Co/4Bn ICC 12-17 to HQ/4Bn 5-18 to 14 LHR 7-18 (British Royal Navy 13 months) COOKE Arthur William 493 Pte 02 LHR C Sqn (G) to T/Cpl (from staines) 12-15 att WFF to Cpl 5-16 to Sgt 13Co/3Bn ICC 7-16 to Yeomanry Depot 11-16 to 42 Div Dtls 11-16 to 4 ADBD 1-17 to 49Bn 1-17 prom 2/Lt 8-2-17 to hosp (trench feet) 4-17 rtn 7-17 to hosp (prostatitis) 5-18 F&B RTA 1914 leave (British Duke of Edinburgh Own Volunteer Rifles TF 2 years and 1 year Royal Navy) brother Robert 2 LHR COOKE Robert Edgar 494 Pte 02 LHR C Sqn WIA 3-11-15 R/arm shell shrapnel at Old No 3 Post (G) disch 26-4-16 AKA Robins Edgar Cooke (British Duke of Edinburgh Own Volunteer Rifles Cape Colony 2 years and 1 year Royal Navy) brother Arthur 2 LHR CUSACK Sidney Claude 20546 A/Sgt Lt Motor Wls Sig D Troop Mesoptamia Tos Cpl Basrah 3-18 to 1 Wls Sig Sqn 3-18 to A/Sgt 2-19 revert 5-19 to NME UK telegraphy (British Royal Navy 12 years) DAVIS Joseph Oswald 19386 Pte 14 AGH 3R to AAMC Trg unit 1-18 (British Royal Navy 18 months) DICKSON Thomas 2311 Pte 11 LHR 18R Tos C Sqn 9-17 EX AB Dvr 13R/RANBT (485) deserted 25-4-16 (Ex 26R/05 LHR (3259) DNE AKA Thomas Grahame Dickson (British The Highland Light Infantry 5 years to Royal Navy 3 years) DONALD Thomas William 1084 Pte 1 Remts 4 Sqn disch 7-12-16 MU (British Royal Navy 18 years) real age 59 son Horace 15Bn KIA FARQUHARSON Edgar Richard 17118 Spr 1 Wls Sig Sqn 7R to Mesoptamia Tos Basrah 1-17 to Dvr 12-17 (British Royal Navy 2 years) FOLEY Lawrence 2370 Pte 05 LHR 16R DNE disch 26-6-16 MU relist 2/AM AFCR 3 special draft (2694) to AFC Trg depot Wendover UK 4-18 to A/Cpl 5-18 to AIF depots UK 9-18 (British Royal Navy 5 years) AKA Lawrence Llewellyn Foley FOSTER Thomas Arthur Benjamin 19237 Spr LH Sig Svc Special Reinf tos W Corps Sig Co 4-18 to 2 LH Sig Sqn 7-18 (British Royal Navy 7 years) FRENCH Frederick Charles 132 Pte 12 LHR A Sqn remained in Egypt att AKS 9-15 rtn 3-16 to hosp (burns accident not stated) 4-16 to ADS 8-16 rtn 7-17 (B) to hosp (lumbago) 1-18 RTA MU disch 22-11-18 (British Royal Navy Reserve 4 years) GIBBS Ernest Albert 156 Sgt 1 Sqn AFC A Flight driver att 17 Sqn RFC 4-16 to Flt/Sgt A Flight 6-16 CdeG (F) & MID - reasons not stated to 8 Trg Sqn AFC UK 4-18 to Chief Mech 5-18 (British Royal Navy 10 years) GLOVER James Cutshaw 961 Arm/Sgt 6 LHR RHQ (G) disch 4-9-16 MU enteric (British Armourer PO 2nd class Royal Navy 9 years) GOULD John Anthony 16874 Pte ACFA NTOS to TC&DC 9-17 to 2 LHFA 1-18 later WWII (British steward Royal Navy 3 years) HALL James Wincote 2116 Pte 7 LHR 14R att AProvC Anzac Police Cairo 4-16 tos 7-16 to S/Smith 1 LH FSE 7-16 rtn S/Smith A Sqn 12-16 to B Sqn 1-17 to ADS 1-18 (British Royal Navy 9 years & Boer War Roberts' Horse & Badens Powells Horse 2 years) HAMMELL Wilton 14561 Dvr AASC R Div LH LofC 27R May 1917 to AASC Dtls UK 10-17 to 23Co 3 Div Trn 8-18 F&B to APayC AIF HQ UK 1-19 moved to USA 1921 (British Royal Navy 3 years) HAMPTON Henry 1955 Pte 2 Remts 7 Sqn disch 19-6-16 (British Royal Navy 3 years) HANNAH Robert Kennedy 239 Pte 12 MG Co 2R to Res Co 7-16 tos 13Co/3Bn ICC 7-16 WIA 28-3-18 L/arm and chest shot reported 5 killed and 21 wounded in fighting around Hill 3039 at Amman RTA wounded (British Royal Navy 12 years) HAWKINS William Christopher Loftus 5087 Dvr 3 LH Bde Trn 12Co AASC remain Egypt to 1 LH Sig Sqn 3-16 to L/Cpl 10-17 to 2/Cpl 10-18 to UK leave (British Royal Navy Aux 3 months) HEARN William Henry 3661 Pte 01 LHR 33R to AMC 2 ASH 3-18 to 4 LHFA 5-18 RTA MU old wound Ex 3R/4Bn (1560) Tos 5-15 WIA 6/9-8-15 L/thigh bomb shrapnel in fighting at Lone Pine (G) disch 17-8-16 relist (British Royal Navy 3 months) author "Sentinel's Weights Right System of Selection and Staking" JENNS Stanley Cresswell 258 Batman 05 LHR RHQ batman (G) att 2 LH Bde HQ 5-17 to 3 LH Bde HQ 10-17 to Spr "D" Field Troop & Bridge Trn 6-18 (British Royal Navy 10 months) KEELAN William 773 Pte 05 LHR 3R tos A Sqn 7-15 (G) died fractued skull in motor accident hit by car driven by Mr C Garrett at Tylers Hill Abbey Wood near Woolwich Kent UK buried Woolwich Cemetery London UK married Elizabeth Coskry at Kirkeudbright Scotland 12-10-15 (British Royal Navy and The King's Own Scottish Borderers TF 4 years) KELLY David 44 Pte 05 LHR MG Sect to L/Cpl 8-15 (G) to 25Bn 9-16 to Pte 31Bn (44a) 10-16 WIA 15-3-17 L/arm, R/thigh & L/buttock bomb during patrol work to see if Germans had withdrawn from R1 Trench to Bapaume F&B (British Royal Navy 2 years) LAMB Edwin de Villiers 2/Lt 6 LHR 16R to 2 LHTR 6-16 tos 11Co/3Bn 7-16 to T/OC 14Co/3Bn ICC 5-17 to HQ/1Bn 10-17 to Adjt Port Said rest camp 11-17 to 14 LHR (NTOS) 7-18 to hosp (bronchitis) 1-19 RTA MU relist Lt Special Service AIF To DAAG AIF HQ UK 10-19 later CBE (British Royal Navy 1 year) (Boer War South African Field Force & Cattle Rangers ) Cheers S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droocoo Posted 21 May , 2018 Author Share Posted 21 May , 2018 (edited) Hi all, Is there any way of ever nailing down his real name? Perhaps the passenger arrivals, but given that he has not turned up under any of the last names that are associated with his service papers, I am at a loss really. Interesting to note that a few of the light horse men had Royal Navy service previously. I am not entirely sure how to proceed here Kindest Regards, Andrew Edited 21 May , 2018 by Droocoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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