zuluwar2006 Posted 28 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 28 July , 2018 ANOTHER ERSATZ SOCKET BAYONET THIS ONE HAS THE SMOOTH STEEL GRIPS USED A BRITISH PATTERN 1853 SOCKET BAYONET WITH GOTHIC INSPECTION STAMPS ON THE BLADE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 29 July , 2018 Share Posted 29 July , 2018 Hey D' Great pic's, those 2 PFM's are the ones you already have or new ones in your collection?The Ersatz bayonets are very interesting, I simply do not have time to study them. They are a whole world in Itself, for collecting, Ersatz were mostly done by Germany but Ersatz is from Germany, Italy, Austrain, Poland,Turkey with Belgian, and French stuff also being converted. You got biggest Ersatz collection I have heard of. Not just in number of pieces, but in rarity as well. But you know this! Very well done indeed!! Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 29 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 29 July , 2018 2 hours ago, Steve1871 said: Hey D' Great pic's, those 2 PFM's are the ones you already have or new ones in your collection?The Ersatz bayonets are very interesting, I simply do not have time to study them. They are a whole world in Itself, for collecting, Ersatz were mostly done by Germany but Ersatz is from Germany, Italy, Austrain, Poland,Turkey with Belgian, and French stuff also being converted. You got biggest Ersatz collection I have heard of. Not just in number of pieces, but in rarity as well. But you know this! Very well done indeed!! Thanks GOOD MORNING STEVE THE 2 PFM 65/1, ARE THE FIRST BAYONETS I BOUGHT, 24 YEARS BEFORE.... ON THIS TOPIC, THEY ARE NEWLY EXPOSED. I HAD THEM IN MY ATTIC, SO I HAD TO REMOOVE A LOT OF OLD STUFF, TO GET THEM. BUT THEY ARE IN FINE SHAPE. I HAVE 5 PFM IN TOTAL. 3 98/02 IN TOTAL, ONE OF THEM SAXON MARKED. I HAVE TO GATHER ALL MY BAYONETS AND MAKE A DATA BASE FOR THEM, SO I HAVE TO SEE WHICH ONES I DO NOT NEED THEM MORE, OR WANT TO TRADE THEM. I AM HAPPY YOU LIKE MY COLLECTION. ALL THE BEST TO YOU AND ALL FELLOW COLLECTORS. REGARDS, D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 29 July , 2018 Share Posted 29 July , 2018 5 S.71PFM's!!! You are hooked on them as bad as me! You will never part with one, with the broad saw backed blades. Just can not get enough of them. Collect by maker, date , variation, if you or I had 20, we would want to keep them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 29 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 29 July , 2018 5 hours ago, Steve1871 said: 5 S.71PFM's!!! You are hooked on them as bad as me! You will never part with one, with the broad saw backed blades. Just can not get enough of them. Collect by maker, date , variation, if you or I had 20, we would want to keep them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 29 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 29 July , 2018 A PLAIN nA 98/05 BAYONET WUTH FASHGUARD NO DATE MANUFACTURER = DURKOPP WERKE UNIT MARKING ON THE CROSSGUARD = I W.P. 95 VERY RARE WAR TIME UNIT MARKING I WERFT PIONEER BATAILLON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 30 July , 2018 Share Posted 30 July , 2018 What is a Wwrdt batt., you know lot more about German units than me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 30 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 30 July , 2018 8 hours ago, Steve1871 said: What is a Wwrdt batt., you know lot more about German units than me ENGINEER LAUNCHING BATAILLON AN EXTREMELY RARE WAR TIME UNIT MARKING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 30 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 30 July , 2018 A PLAIN 98/05 BAYONET nA NO DATE WITH FLASHGUARD MANUFACTURER WITH THE TWINS LOGO UNIT MARKING = I.R.4.1.205 INFANTERIE REGIMENT KONIGIN AUGUSTA GARDE - GRENADIER REGIMENT NR. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 30 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 30 July , 2018 A SAWBACK aA 98/05 BAYONET WITH LEATHER SCABBARD NAVAL MARKED DATE 1909 MANUFACTURER ERFURT W.W.375 = WERFT WILHELMSHAVEN ON THE SCABBARD = W.W.7067 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 30 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 30 July , 2018 AN aA PLAIN 98/05 BAYONET DATE = 1912 [RARE DATE] MANUFACTURER [ G. HAENEL AND SUHL UNIT MARKING = W.D. 693 WERFT DANZIG AN EXTREMELY RARE NAVAL MARKED BAYONET WITH A RARE DATE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 30 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 30 July , 2018 BAVARIAN IS [INFANTERIE SETITENGEWEHR] M/69 BAYONET WERDER APTIERT FOR THE GEWEHR 71 AND 71/84, AND ON SYSTEM 98 RIFLES. WITH ONE STEP ON THE BRASS HILT. MANUFACTURER ALEX COPPEL. THIS IS CATALOGUES AS AN ERSATZ BAYONET, CAUSE OF THE MODIFICATION. UNIT MARKING IS = 10.R.R.L.D.1.62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 30 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 30 July , 2018 A TRANSITIONAL SAWBACK 98/05 BAYONET. THIS IS THE nA MODEL, BUT WITHOUT FLASHGUARD. ORIGINALY FOUND WITH LEATHER SCABBARD WITH UNIT MARKING 164.R. 7.153 DATE 1915 MANUFACTURER = SIMSON AND CO SUHL RARE BAYONET. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 30 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 30 July , 2018 AN aA SAWBACK 98/05 BAYONET. MANUFACTURER = ERFURT DATE = 1906 RARE UNIT MARKING = R.P.XIII.2.117 2 RESERVE PIONEER KOMPAGNIE DES 13TH ARMEEKORPS, NUMBER OF SOLDIER 117 RARE UNIT MARKING FOR WYTTEMBERG KINGDOM, VERY RARE SEEN. The XIII (Royal Württemberg) Army Corps / XIII AK (German: XIII. (Königlich Württembergisches) Armee-Korps) was a corps of the Imperial German Army. It was, effectively, also the army of the Kingdom of Württemberg, which had been integrated in 1871 into the Prussian Army command structure, as had the armies of most German states. The corps was originally established as the Württemberg Corps Command (Korpskommando) in 1817. It became the XIII Army Corps when it was integrated into the Prussian numbering system on December 18, 1871, shortly after the Franco-Prussian War. Combat chronicle On mobilization in 1914, the corps was subordinated to the 5th Army and saw action on the Western Front. It was transferred to the 6th Army during the Race to the Sea. In October 1914, the corps headquarters formed Corps Fabeck, which by the end of the month had become a provisional army group, commanding XV Corps, II Bavarian Corps and Corps Urach. In November, the XIII Army Corps was transferred from the 6th Army to the 9th Army on the Eastern Front. By 1916, the corps had returned to the Western Front and was subordinated to the 4th Army under Army Group Crown Prince Rupprecht. From April 1917 to March 1918, the corps commanded Group Caudry, another provisional command. In September 1918, it took over command of Group Ebene under Army Group Duke Albrecht of Württemberg, and commanded Group Ebene until war's end. It was still in existence at the end of the war in Armee-Abteilung C, Heeresgruppe Gallwitz on the Western Front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 30 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 30 July , 2018 2 hours ago, zuluwar2006 said: BAVARIAN IS [INFANTERIE SETITENGEWEHR] M/69 BAYONET WERDER APTIERT FOR THE GEWEHR 71 AND 71/84, AND ON SYSTEM 98 RIFLES. WITH ONE STEP ON THE BRASS HILT. MANUFACTURER ALEX COPPEL. THIS IS CATALOGUES AS AN ERSATZ BAYONET, CAUSE OF THE MODIFICATION. UNIT MARKING IS = 10.R.R.L.D.1.62 RESERVE INFANTERIE REGIMENT/LANDWEHR BATAILLON DILLINGEN [BYERN] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 On 24/06/2018 at 14:20, zuluwar2006 said: a very rare naval unit marked [same unit markings and on scabbard] 98/05 bayonet. plain model, nA with flashguard. Date is W 17. I.M.A.A. [I Matrosen Artillerie Abteilung]. Very rare unit marking and same om crossguard and scabbard. Nice one! Never looked hard at Naval markings, but I believe that all pre-WW1 ones had the Imperial Crown over an M mark on the blade spine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 On 08/07/2018 at 00:10, zuluwar2006 said: A WAR TIME UNIT MARKED 98/05 Na PLAIN BAYTONET WAR TIME UNIT MARKINGS MINER WERFER 13TH [WYTTEMBERG] EXTREMELY RARE MADE ON 1918 Very interesting late mark. Somewhere else on GWF I opened a thread on these bayonets with numbers on scabbards and on blades, and have wondered if they might indicate Bavarian issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 On 08/07/2018 at 00:22, zuluwar2006 said: AN ERSATZ BAYONET UNIT MARKED FOR ERSATZ MACHINE GEWEHR COMPANY ON THE BLADE MARKING "AUGUST EGLOFF" NAME OF THE OWNER OR MANUFACTURER???? I'd go for the 'owner'! Nobody of that name on the Verlustlisten or Graebersuche... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 2 August , 2018 Share Posted 2 August , 2018 On 29/07/2018 at 09:24, zuluwar2006 said: ... I HAVE TO GATHER ALL MY BAYONETS AND MAKE A DATA BASE FOR THEM, SO I HAVE TO SEE WHICH ONES I DO NOT NEED THEM MORE, OR WANT TO TRADE THEM. Certainly an impressive collection, there but getting that data base ready for, what, about 300+ bayonets?, will take a while! Many thanks for showing them all. I can imagine how much Roy Williams enjoyed seeing what you have. Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 5 August , 2018 Author Share Posted 5 August , 2018 On 02/08/2018 at 16:58, trajan said: Nice one! Never looked hard at Naval markings, but I believe that all pre-WW1 ones had the Imperial Crown over an M mark on the blade spine. very few S 98/05 bayonets have been recorded with markings of the imperial navy [kaiserliche marine] mainly because the navy preffered the S 98 used by the infantry. On a very few S 98, dated 1906 - 1907, a crowned M above the date was used, in place of a royal cypher, but no similarly marked S 98/05 has been located. A single 98/05 is known, which has an M below a simplified imperial krown [kaiserkrone], in place of both cypher and date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 5 August , 2018 Author Share Posted 5 August , 2018 On 02/08/2018 at 17:03, trajan said: Very interesting late mark. Somewhere else on GWF I opened a thread on these bayonets with numbers on scabbards and on blades, and have wondered if they might indicate Bavarian issue. Julian, the bavarians had used 2 methods for marking bayonets since the 19th century. Most bavarian examples for S 71, had the full unit marking including the weapon number, on the left hand sides of the crossguards, and on the right, the bayonet's serail number. These numbers [serail], were most probably applied by the receiving arsenal. S 98/05 are often found with 4 figure numbers stamped on either side of the crossguard and occasionaly, even on the quilions.The size of the numbers is small, only 2,5mm in height, and Prussian bayonets bearing such numbers may have been used by the Bavarians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 5 August , 2018 Author Share Posted 5 August , 2018 On 02/08/2018 at 17:18, trajan said: Certainly an impressive collection, there but getting that data base ready for, what, about 300+ bayonets?, will take a while! Many thanks for showing them all. I can imagine how much Roy Williams enjoyed seeing what you have. Julian Julian, yes, this is correct. RW transfer his passion for bayonets to me, and i did not let him down... Sad he is not with us now... I had so many things to talk about with him. A great loss. I am planning to build a private museum and put all my bayonets, and named it with his name. this is the least i can do for this great collector - great man, Roy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 7 August , 2018 Author Share Posted 7 August , 2018 a Bavarian marked 98/05 plain bayonet This was an aA, but converted to a nA, with a flashguard and the cut of the high ears from the crossguard. Date = 1910. Manufacturer = Alex Coppel Solingen Unit marking = B.1.R.A.F. 1 Bavarian, Reserve Fussartillery Regiment, Reserve Fussartillery Bataillon Rare to find any 98/05 aA converted to nA, proof of the use of this bayonet on the ww1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 8 August , 2018 Author Share Posted 8 August , 2018 an aA sawback 98/05 bayonet, which has added a flashguard, making it as a transitional model aA. Date 1907. bavarian unit marking=B.2.P.1.98 2 Bayern Pioneer Bataillon Manufacturer = ERFURT Number 4 on the throat of the scabbard and on the iron scabbard. A capital letter K, is on the wooden grips. A very rare bavarian marked transitional 98/05 sawback bayonet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 8 August , 2018 Author Share Posted 8 August , 2018 A 98/05 nA plain bayonet Bavarian marked Date = 1916 Prussian cypher Bavarian Jagger Regiment Number of soldier on the spine of the blade, typical method for Bavarian unit markings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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