WW1 GERMAN BAYONETS FROM MY COLLECTION

[zuluwar2006]

On 04/06/2019 at 07:16, Steve1871 said:

I almost forgot, The All Important Unit, Regimental markings, they bring the bayonet to life by their histories,add character . We collectors LOVE the units!

 

With Zuluwar2006 outstanding collection and Trajan's studies on the subject, the two of them  would be a great starting point.

Instead of just Ersatz ( huge field itself). I would suggest the Standard issue Bayonet's ( for basis to compare to) Then show variations of those Bayonet's And add the Ersatz and foreign converted pieces

I am absolutely positive on this. 

But we have to make a plan on what we will post for every bayonet and then other collectors can add dates, manufacturers, unit markings. 

This way we can build an endless guide and photo collection on different models of imperial Ww1 german bayonets. 

Regards

D. 

Edited 6 June , 2019 by zuluwar2006

[zuluwar2006]

On 27/05/2019 at 00:20, zuluwar2006 said:

An extremely rare Captured French 1874 Gras (EB 123). This has been extensively modified by adding a 71/84 style hilt to the original blade so as to fit the 98 Mauser (sword bayonet model 1874 with S 98 grip).  This quite scarce modification was made for Gewehr 88 or Kar 98. After discarding the scales the tang is cut on the middle.  A new pommel is brazed on the tang.  Two new scales similar to the model EB 115 are itted and fixed with twin screws.  A. D. HANNOVER on the hilt for Artillery Depot Hannover.

Overall Length - 649mm     Blade length - 516mm   blade width - 21mm

Some more photographs from this rare bayonet

Edited 6 June , 2019 by zuluwar2006

[trajan]

Steve, it would be really great to repost your photograph of the brass-hilted collection - what do you think? I reckon even D. would be very impressed by that!

[zuluwar2006]

A very rare Bavarian marked war time sawback bayonet.

Seitengewehr 84/98 n. A. m. Säge and flashguard. 

Bavarian unit marking on the crossguard of the bayonet  B.1.U.R.149 (= Königlich bayerisches Ulanen-Regiment Kaiser Wilhelm II., König v. Preußen) manufacturer is Deutsche Maschinenfabrik AG Duisburg

Iron scabbard with unit marking : B.8.Ch.5.555. (= Königlich bayerisches 8. Cheveauleger-Regiment) 

Extremely rare to find such unit markings for Bavarian war time troops. 

[Steve1871]

As novice, I would read as Bavaran 1st company Ulan Regiment waffe 149,. 

I thought regiment or battalion always came before company

 

Where and how do you get the " names"?  Koniglich, Kaiser Wolhelm???

I still learning hete

[zuluwar2006]

22 hours ago, Steve1871 said:

As novice, I would read as Bavaran 1st company Ulan Regiment waffe 149,. 

I thought regiment or battalion always came before company

 

Where and how do you get the " names"?  Koniglich, Kaiser Wolhelm???

I still learning hete

Dear Steve,

Bavarian 1st Ulanen Regiment, number of soldier 149.

That is the correct read.

German army units usually had honored titles as this Ulanen Regiment of Bavaria.

Rare to find such unit markings as usually those units were at the front and very few bayonets survived.

Regards

D.

[Steve1871]

Live and learn, thank's Demitrios

[zuluwar2006]

Fellow collectors, 

This topic has reach 10.000 views as we speak. 

I must admit I am very surprised by this interest on my collection. 

I want to thank you all for this interest and wish to each of you, happy collecting. 

Remember, as a lot of fake bayonets are coming from a God knows where, to have full knowledge of what you want to buy and to place a limit on how much money you want to spend.

This way you will never loose or waste either money or time. 

Some photos from the rare model 98/02.

Happy hunting to all. 

Regards

D. 

 

[zuluwar2006]

On 09/06/2019 at 21:34, zuluwar2006 said:

A very rare Bavarian marked war time sawback bayonet.

Seitengewehr 84/98 n. A. m. Säge and flashguard. 

Bavarian unit marking on the crossguard of the bayonet  B.1.U.R.149 (= Königlich bayerisches Ulanen-Regiment Kaiser Wilhelm II., König v. Preußen) manufacturer is Deutsche Maschinenfabrik AG Duisburg

Iron scabbard with unit marking : B.8.Ch.5.555. (= Königlich bayerisches 8. Cheveauleger-Regiment) 

Extremely rare to find such unit markings for Bavarian war time troops. 

Some more detailed photos from this rare unit marked sawback bayonet. 

Regards

D. 

[zuluwar2006]

A very rare EB 9 Carter's book ersatz plain bayonet. 

Unit markings on the crossguard and on the iron scabbard which is very rare (approximately 0,5%of ersatz bayonet were unit marked, that means 1 to 200, and even rarer is to get a unit marked scabbard).

Unit markings on the bayonet : 77.R.5.82 (= Hannoversches Infanterie Regiment Nr. 77) 

On the iron scabbard same Regiment but different company, 77 4 R.145.

Edited 27 June , 2019 by zuluwar2006

[trajan]

More nice ones, as usual Dimitrios! You were so lucky to start colelcting so early! And well done on passing the 1,000th mark!

 

I wonder though if the Uhlan marked one might be a staff weapon not a regular issue weapon? The regulations state that weapons were to be numbered consecutively as issued, so this is the 149th weapon issued to the staff? Or maybe it should read 1 Squadron 49, the armourer having forgotten a dot there? 

[zuluwar2006]

A very nice plain 98/05 nA bayonet with iron scabbard. 

Date is 1915 and has a flashguard. 

Manufacturer is Deutsche Maschinenfabrik. 

Regimental stamped = 1.J.2.E

For 1st Jager Bataillon, 2nd Ersatz Abteilung. 

Very rare war time unit marked bayonet. 

[trajan]

Yet another nice one D! A recent or old find?

 

Julian

[zuluwar2006]

Oops, I made a mistake. 

Not gay (without knowledge of his preferences off course from my side), but I ment Guy. 

 

Edited 2 August , 2019 by zuluwar2006

[trajan]

That's very odd about the banning! I'll look into plans soon for a Greece visit. BUT, remove your email address in case you get spammed. I have noted it down and will be in touch direct.

 

Julian

 

Best wishes, 

Edited 2 August , 2019 by trajan

[zuluwar2006]

12 minutes ago, trajan said:

That's very odd about the banning! I'll look into plans soon for a Greece visit. BUT, remove your email address in case you get spammed. I have noted it down and will be in touch direct.

 

Julian

 

Best wishes, 

Email removed allready... 

[zuluwar2006]

A new addition.

An extremely rare unit marked ersatz bayonet (Deutsches Aushilfsseitengewehr 88/98)

Carter Nr. EB 37

Unit marking on the crossguard

I.R.94. M.G. (= Infanterieregiment Großherzog von Sachsen Nr. 94, 5. Thüringisches, MG-Kompanie) - with original iron scabbard (Aushilfsstahlblechscheide). 

Remember that only 0,5% (1 in 200) ersatz bayonets are unit marked. 

Even rarer the MG unit marking with the crown on the crossguard. 

Regards

D. 

 

Edited 4 August , 2019 by zuluwar2006

[trajan]

18 hours ago, zuluwar2006 said:

I.R.94. M.G. (= Infanterieregiment Großherzog von Sachsen Nr. 94, 5. Thüringisches, MG-Kompanie) - with original iron scabbard (Aushilfsstahlblechscheide). 

Remember that only 0,5% (1 in 200) ersatz bayonets are unit marked. 

Even rarer the MG unit marking with the crown on the crossguard. 

 

Yet another lovely specimen!  Did you get the 5% figure from Carter?

 

Julian

[zuluwar2006]

37 minutes ago, trajan said:

 

Yet another lovely specimen!  Did you get the 5% figure from Carter?

 

Julian

Julian

Yes Carter is mentioning this figure on his book about ersatz bayonets, 2nd edition.

This must be from early constructed ersatz bayonets, as on Middle 1915 and after, regulations prohibited the referring of unit markings on bayonets, cause of reasons of secrecy and for hide the regiments and army Korps there were at the front. 

Offcourse all the Thurigien regiments must have very experienced and precautious armourers, as most of unit markings are coming from those regiments. 

Still a rare unit marking, with MG referring and the crown stamping on the crossguard, which make it even rarer. 

Regards

D. 

 

[zuluwar2006]

German soldiers with pfm 71 bayonets, from the excellent  book of Klaus Lubbe about german soldiers and the bayonets they had in use. 

Edited 10 August , 2019 by zuluwar2006

[Steve1871]

Thank's Demitrios, nice pic's

[zuluwar2006]

8A new addition.

A plain aA 98/05 war time unit marked  bayonet constructed on 1915, with high ears.

Unit marking is

2.E.55.2.K.290 = Infanterie Regiment N. 55 Graf Bullow von Dennewitz [6th Westfalisches]

On the iron scabbard unit marking is 7.185.

Raised on 5.5.1860

Based on Detmold, Hoxter snd Bielefeld.

2nd ersatz Bataillon of the 55 infanterie Regiment, 2nd Company, number of soldier 290.

Manufacturer is F. W. Koller Solingen. 

Extremely rare to find wartime unit markings on bayonets. 

I am posting 2 more similar unit markings from my collection. It seemed that  armourers on this Infantry Regiment were extremely precautious... 

Edited 14 August , 2019 by zuluwar2006

[zuluwar2006]

On 03/06/2019 at 23:26, zuluwar2006 said:

This is my 4th and last 98/02.

A very rare 98/02 bayonet without scabbard.

Manufacturer is Erfurt.

Date is 1902.

Unit marking on the crossguard is R.P.XVIII.1.49.

For 1st Reserve Pioneer Bataillon of the 18th Army Korps. 

On mobilization, on 2 August 1914, the Corps was restructured. The 25th Cavalry Brigade was withdrawn to form part of the 3rd Cavalry Division and the 21st Cavalry Brigade was broken up and its regiments assigned to the divisions as reconnaissance units. The 168th Infantry Regiment was assigned to the 25th Reserve Division in XVIII Reserve Corps. Divisions received engineer companies and other support units from the Corps headquarters. In summary, XVIII Corps mobilised with 24 infantry battalions, 8 machine gun companies (48 machine guns), 8 cavalry squadrons, 24 field artillery batteries (144 guns), 4 heavy artillery batteries (16 guns), 3 pioneer companies and an aviation detachment.

PIONEER BATTALIONS

• In peacetime, there were thirty-five pioneer battalions in the German Army. These battalions were autonomous units that, for purposes of administration and tradition, had many of the rights and functions as regiments of other arms (such as the infantry, cavalry, field artillery and foot artillery). In that respect, pioneer battalions were very much like Jäger battalions.) At mobilization, each peacetime pioneer battalions fielded six field companies, as well as a number of specialized pioneer units. The field companies, in turn, were grouped by threes into two 'field pioneer battalions', each of which was assigned to an army corps, a reserve army corps, a fortress or a fortress pioneer regiment (Festungpionier Regiment).In the twelve months or so following mobilization, the German Army formed a number of individual field companies for service with the new divisions being formed. Once this reform had taken place, the typical German army corps had four or five field companies - three from the original field battalion and one or two from the recently formed division that served as the third division of the army corps. Like the original field companies, each of these new field companies were affiliated with a peacetime pioneer battalion, the depot of which provided it with drafts of trained men. Early in 1917, the German Army formed most of its field companies into small battalions of two field companies apiece, each of which was designed to provide for the needs of a single infantry division.

Some more detailed photos from this 98/02 bayonet

[Steve1871]

Rare bayonet there D! Most collection's do not have one.

I have just one right now, no scabbard. 

I love all that unit History! Where do you get it all? Is it a single book?? 

Thanks for the Post

[zuluwar2006]

Steve, you can watch the reference and examining for Ww1 german unit markings, on Jeff Noll book (ventura, CA) published on 1998 (revised edition). 

A very impressive and precise work. 

This book can give you all the informations about Ww1 german army formations, and units. 

Regards

D. 

P. S. I am glad you  got a unit marked 98/05 bayonet. REMEMBER the collections are buildings which need time to construct them with patient and time.