zuluwar2006 Posted 15 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 15 January , 2019 On 14/01/2019 at 15:17, zuluwar2006 said: Here are some more photos from the tube insert to give forward support. This is an extremely rare bayonet rarely seen. Watch the full muzzle ring with a part cutout on the right side. Here is a photo of the of the EB20 bayonet, which was produced for issue specifically with this type of conversion. Note the notch cut out of the top of the tubular section of the muzzle ring. The notch engages the front facing of the front sight base. The full tubular ring added badly needed additional strength to the lock up on these otherwise weak conversions. Had Carter ever attempted to mount this bayonet on a rifle converted with a tubular adapter, he would have discovered his mistake. Were this for issue with a tubular adapter, there would be no need for a sight base notch, since the front sight base in completely encompassed by the body of the adapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 15 January , 2019 Share Posted 15 January , 2019 On 15/12/2018 at 23:18, zuluwar2006 said: Steve here are the books. ... D, I did write to the Williams family expressing my great sorrow on hearing of Roy's death. I corresponded with him a few times but never meat him... Are you in touch with the family? I was wondering what happened to Roy's photograph and other archives, and, of course, the planned book on ceremonial daggers. What happened to his own collection is of course of interest, but I really hope his archive found a safe home!. I understand that Carter's archive went to International in the USA, and I wrote to them once asking if they had it - but never received a reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 15 January , 2019 Share Posted 15 January , 2019 On 16/12/2018 at 08:55, zuluwar2006 said: As I have stated before on this discussion, very few S 98/05 bayonets have been recorded with markings of the imperial navy [kaiserliche marine] mainly because the navy preffered the S 98 used by the infantry. On a very few S 98, dated 1906 - 1907, a crowned M above the date was used, in place of a royal cypher, but no similarly marked S 98/05 has been located. Looking back at this... I am certain I came across a reference recently to S.98/05 going to the Navy - but I will check! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 15 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 15 January , 2019 39 minutes ago, trajan said: D, I did write to the Williams family expressing my great sorrow on hearing of Roy's death. I corresponded with him a few times but never meat him... Are you in touch with the family? I was wondering what happened to Roy's photograph and other archives, and, of course, the planned book on ceremonial daggers. What happened to his own collection is of course of interest, but I really hope his archive found a safe home!. I understand that Carter's archive went to International in the USA, and I wrote to them once asking if they had it - but never received a reply I will answer with pm on this matter Julian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 18 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 18 January , 2019 An extremely rare unit marked 84/98 plain bayonet with flashguard. The unit marking is 13.F.5.110 This is for 13th Fuhrpark Kolonne, a war time unit marking. Very scarce to find Ww1 german bayonets with wartime unit markings. Manufacturer is J.A.Henckels With the logo of twins. On the back edge of blade a "W" with crown exist but is impossible to see the date as it is erased from use. Only the number "1" is visible. The blade is heavily sharpened, proof of heavy use during war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 29 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 29 January , 2019 On 15/01/2019 at 15:41, zuluwar2006 said: Here is a photo of the of the EB20 bayonet, which was produced for issue specifically with this type of conversion. Note the notch cut out of the top of the tubular section of the muzzle ring. The notch engages the front facing of the front sight base. The full tubular ring added badly needed additional strength to the lock up on these otherwise weak conversions. Had Carter ever attempted to mount this bayonet on a rifle converted with a tubular adapter, he would have discovered his mistake. Were this for issue with a tubular adapter, there would be no need for a sight base notch, since the front sight base in completely encompassed by the body of the adapter. On 15/01/2019 at 15:41, zuluwar2006 said: Here is a photo of the of the EB20 bayonet, which was produced for issue specifically with this type of conversion. Note the notch cut out of the top of the tubular section of the muzzle ring. The notch engages the front facing of the front sight base. The full tubular ring added badly needed additional strength to the lock up on these otherwise weak conversions. Had Carter ever attempted to mount this bayonet on a rifle converted with a tubular adapter, he would have discovered his mistake. Were this for issue with a tubular adapter, there would be no need for a sight base notch, since the front sight base in completely encompassed by the body of the adapter. Some more detailed photos from the tube on the crossguard and from the unit marking of this extremely rare ersatz bayonet. Unit mark is from the Brussel Garisson. Regards D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 29 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 29 January , 2019 And some more photos from this extremely rare ersatz bayonet, constructed only to fit captured MOSIN Nagant rifles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 29 January , 2019 Share Posted 29 January , 2019 On 18/01/2019 at 16:48, zuluwar2006 said: An extremely rare unit marked 84/98 plain bayonet with flashguard. The unit marking is 13.F.5.110 This is for 13th Fuhrpark Kolonne, a war time unit marking. Very scarce to find Ww1 german bayonets with wartime unit markings. Manufacturer is J.A.Henckels With the logo of twins. On the back edge of blade a "W" with crown exist but is impossible to see the date as it is erased from use. Only the number "1" is visible. The blade is heavily sharpened, proof of heavy use during war. Yet another nice one. And typical war-time marking in being rather untidy! Carter vol II notes that Henkels produced large numbers of these "some undated but 1916-1917 bayonets recorded, most dated 1917'. I have a small collection of these 84/98's, two are Henkels, one 1916 and not unit marked, the other 1917, and unit maked to a Flak zug. See: https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/207144-any-comments-on-this-german-marking/?tab=comments#comment-2040883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 29 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 29 January , 2019 5 hours ago, zuluwar2006 said: And some more photos from this extremely rare ersatz bayonet, constructed only to fit captured MOSIN Nagant rifles. The unique of this bayonet is cause of the fact, is the only one - ever recorded - with a fullered blade. I am posting the 2 pages dedicated on this bayonet, by the well known and famous writer Mr. Christian Mery, on his book German Ersatz Bayonets. On this topic Christian is referring to the absence of a bayonet with fullers on the blade. So a unique model (the only one ever recorded with fullered blade) of an extremely rare ersatz bayonet and with unit markings. Regards D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 29 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 29 January , 2019 A rare unit marked 84/98 bayonet, marked to the 3 Schlesisches Dragoner Regiment (15th), which stand at Hagenau and raised on 1866. It is a 84/98 bayonet with sawback erased and with flashguard. Very rare to see a Dragoner unit marked war time BAYONET and with an erased sawback blade. The manufacturer is ERFURT. A very rare unit marking for a war time bayonet. Take attention to the very crude of erased sawteeth, maybe a work of a front line ARMOURER??? Regards D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 31 January , 2019 Share Posted 31 January , 2019 On 29/01/2019 at 22:28, zuluwar2006 said: A rare unit marked 84/98 bayonet, marked to the 3 Schlesisches Dragoner Regiment (15th), which stand at Hagenau and raised on 1866. It is a 84/98 bayonet with sawback erased and with flashguard. Very rare to see a Dragoner unit marked war time BAYONET and with an erased sawback blade. The manufacturer is ERFURT. A very rare unit marking for a war time bayonet. Take attention to the very crude of erased sawteeth, maybe a work of a front line ARMOURER??? Regards D. Certainly the oddest sawback removal I have ever seen! I guess there is no fraktur mark on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 31 January , 2019 Share Posted 31 January , 2019 Hey Demitrios Very rare and impressive. On EB-20, with a muzzle ring, why add the tube extension I wonder? If the Kaiser himself had autographed a bayonet, I bet it would find it's way to your collection😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 31 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 January , 2019 Steve The tube was made ONLY AND ESPECIALLY for this ersatz bayonet to fit on captured MOSIN NAGANT russian rifles. It is an elegant and much disereable bayonet but very hard to find it in reasonable prices. For Kaiser's autograph, THNK YOU!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 31 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 January , 2019 Another extremely rare war time unit marked 98/05 plain NA bayonet with flashguard. Unit marking is R. J. R. 56.661 for 56th Reserve Infanterie Regiment (7th Wesfalisches) Vogel von Falkenstain. Construction's Date is 1916. Manufacturer is WaffenFabrik Mauser - A. G. Oberndorf a. N (Julian's favorite manufacturer). Look carefully the number 3 on the "low ears" of the bayonet. War time unit marked german bayonets are very rare. Although officially was prohibited to armourers (from 1915) the unit marking on bayonets, on some units, it seemed that regulations were not follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 31 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 January , 2019 4 hours ago, trajan said: Certainly the oddest sawback removal I have ever seen! I guess there is no fraktur mark on it? Julian you are correct. NO fraktur marking on this one. It seems that the removal of the sawback, made on the field. That is an explanation for the crude erase of the sawback. There was no time for the armourers on the war field to take good care of this removal. Rwgards D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gernika Posted 1 February , 2019 Share Posted 1 February , 2019 Not a bayo, but abusing of my polyglot friends... Can you translate this death plaque ? I can't read german gothic and many doubts google translator did a good job here. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depaor01 Posted 1 February , 2019 Share Posted 1 February , 2019 (edited) Here rests Michael Daigger Born 7 December 1897 Died 2 June 1919 in Country hospital Sigmaringen Is as good I can make out... Dave Edited 1 February , 2019 by depaor01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gernika Posted 1 February , 2019 Share Posted 1 February , 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, depaor01 said: Here rests Michael Daigger Born 7 December 1897 Died 2 June 1919 in Country hospital Sigmaringen Is as good I can make out... Dave Thank you. I had any doubts about Daigger or Haigger ..and the Hospital. Thank you Dave. Edited 1 February , 2019 by Gernika Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depaor01 Posted 1 February , 2019 Share Posted 1 February , 2019 28 minutes ago, Gernika said: Thank you. I have any doubts about Daigger or Haigger ..and the Hospital. Thank you Dave. No problem. I'm an amateur historic German text translator that still struggles with handwriting of the period, but pretty sure my effort here is accurate. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 1 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 1 February , 2019 52 minutes ago, depaor01 said: Here rests Michael Daigger Born 7 December 1897 Died 2 June 1919 in Country hospital Sigmaringen Is as good I can make out... Dave Dave you are absolutely correct. My brother is a lover on translating old German texts. I am a lover of Ww1 german bayonets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depaor01 Posted 1 February , 2019 Share Posted 1 February , 2019 52 minutes ago, zuluwar2006 said: Dave you are absolutely correct. My brother is a lover on translating old German texts. I am a lover of Ww1 german bayonets Thanks I've posted my M98 aA here before so won't bother the forum with it again unless you missed it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 2 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 2 February , 2019 8 hours ago, depaor01 said: Thanks I've posted my M98 aA here before so won't bother the forum with it again unless you missed it... Dave good morning. Indeed I had missed it. Can you post it again please??? Thank you Regards D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 10 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 10 February , 2019 A sawback erased 98/05 NA bayonet with steel scabbard. Manufacturer is Weyersberg & Co Solingen. Date is W 17, for 1917. This bayonet was a sawback model but erased the sawback and there is an inspection stamp on the erased sawback. Unit marking is : A.R.115.2.54. This is for the 115th Feld Artillery Regiment - Rekrutendepot, 2nd compagnie, number of soldier 54. Very rare to find a late war time unit marking and on sawback erased bayonet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 11 February , 2019 Share Posted 11 February , 2019 It is indeed a rare late marking! As of December 2017, I had listed 233 unit-marked 98/05's, of which only seven were from 1917 and a single one from 1918. This one of yours must also have been one of the last 98/05 m.S ever made... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 2 March , 2019 Author Share Posted 2 March , 2019 An ersatz socket bayonet with smooth steel grips fitted with a short version socket bayonet. The short version socket bayonets are very rarely seen. The blade must be a portoguese socket blade but I am not sure. The crossguard is one steel part and with a double diameter open ring. This arrangement allows the ersatz bayonet to be fitted on gewehr 98 and kg 88 rifles and in older models. This model is painted field Grey which make this bayonet even rarer as painted specimens considered as rare. Total length if ersatz socket bayonet 49 cms. Length of socket blade 39 cms. The blade is secured on the pommel with 3 steel rivets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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