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WW1 GERMAN BAYONETS FROM MY COLLECTION


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Steve this is the book for ersatz bayonets  from the late Roy Williams, published on 2010. 

A great friend. 

A glorious collector with great knowledge on Ww1 german bayonets. 

A master who is already missing to all of us who knew him. 

Regards

D. 

 

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You say "This is the Book"?? I have a great book by Roy Williams, not sure if he did 2 books or not?Are a lot your collection shown in Williams book?

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7 minutes ago, Steve1871 said:

You say "This is the Book"?? I have a great book by Roy Williams, not sure if he did 2 books or not?Are a lot your collection shown in Williams book?

Steve, Roy has wrote 3 books. 

The first is for all the models of bayonets used from imperial german army from1850 until 1918 and some reichswehr models. 

The second is for ersatz bayonets. 

The third is for frogs and Knotts for the bayonets. 

On ersatz book a part from my collection is shown. 

Regards

D. 

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Steve here are the books. 

The 1st book is covering from 1680.

Attached are the photos for each book. 

Regards

D. 

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On 16/10/2018 at 21:27, zuluwar2006 said:

HERE IS A VERY NICE EXAMPLE OF A NAVAL MARKED 84/98 BAYONET [NOT MINE].

A VERY RARE MARKING, WHICH WHEN YOU SEE IT, YOU BUY IT ASAP.

REARDS, D.

 

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As I have stated before on this discussion, very few S 98/05 bayonets have been recorded with markings of the imperial navy [kaiserliche marine] mainly because the navy preffered the S 98 used by the infantry. On a very few S 98, dated 1906 - 1907, a crowned M above the date was used, in place of a royal cypher, but no similarly marked S 98/05 has been located.

A single 98/05 is known, which has an M below a simplified imperial krown [kaiserkrone], in place of both cypher and date.

Here are the photos of this extremely rare bayonet 98/05. The manufacturer has been erased and it is marked for Reichswehr with added date on the crossguard 1920.

An Ostsee unit marking is on the scabbard.

Regards to all and have all Merry Christmas and a very happy new year, with prosperity and health to each of you and your family. 

Be well all friends. 

Regards, 

D. 

P. S. My special wishes to Julian and Steve, who are keeping me very active on this discussion with very interesting questions and notices. 

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Zuluwar, my old friend, your bayonets have certainly helped to make my year and it has been a pleasure to correspond and discuss things with you - and Steve as well, who - like you - always manages to find some very exciting and rare ones!

 

Best wishes to you two and all others on Arms and other GWF threads as well as 2018 slowly comes to its conclusion!

 

Julian

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On 16/10/2018 at 21:27, zuluwar2006 said:

 

 

On 20/12/2018 at 12:11, trajan said:

Zuluwar, my old friend, your bayonets have certainly helped to make my year and it has been a pleasure to correspond and discuss things with you - and Steve as well, who - like you - always manages to find some very exciting and rare ones!

 

Best wishes to you two and all others on Arms and other GWF threads as well as 2018 slowly comes to its conclusion!

 

Julian

Julian 

The pleasure was all mine!!!! 

Best wishes to you also, to Steve and a the fellow collectors for health and prosperity to all and each one. 

Also the GWF to continue its fine work and the founders to be blessed. 

Regards to all and specially to Julian and Steve. 

D. 

 

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MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL THE COLLECTORS...

WITH HEALTH...

AND TO REMEMBER ALL THE GREAT COLLECTORS WE HAVE LOST, AS THE LATE ROY WILLIAMS, ANTHONY CARTER, AND SO MANY MORE.

P.S. THE PHOTO IS MADE ORIGINALY FROM ROY WILLIAMS.

 

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Some rare regimental marked S 14 bayonets, from my collection. 

The F.A.R.221.B.74 unit marked bayonet is for Feld Artillery Regiment 221 Batteries number 745ad2e6416aec4_IMG_39411.thumb.JPG.a76b0443e2956453251ccce1a82f5d26.JPG.e865a34a0445de887c88809e7b52b65f.JPG

The 12.D.R.1.108 unit marking is for the 12th Dragoner Regiment von Arnim (2nd Brandenburgisches) which established on Gnesen during 27.9.1866

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The EBLJR 12 unit marking is for 12th Ersatz Bataillon Landwehr Infantry Regiment, a rare war time unit marking.

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This unit marking 5CHR488 is for 5th Kgl. Bayern Chevaulegers Regiment Erherzog Friedrich von Oster Reich, which established during 1.4.1766 at Saargemund

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Merry Christmas boys... 

Regards

D. 

 

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And here are all my F. A. R. Unit marked bayonets. 

Three 98/05, and one S 14.

Regards

D. 

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On 23/12/2018 at 21:55, zuluwar2006 said:

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL THE COLLECTORS...

WITH HEALTH...

AND TO REMEMBER ALL THE GREAT COLLECTORS WE HAVE LOST, AS THE LATE ROY WILLIAMS, ANTHONY CARTER, AND SO MANY MORE.

P.S. THE PHOTO IS MADE ORIGINALY FROM ROY WILLIAMS.

 

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Now THAT'S a Christmas sight! And what a sense of humour the man had! I did once try using a sharpened butcher bayonet as a butcher knife - and it did work, after a fashion! 

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3 hours ago, zuluwar2006 said:

And here are all my F. A. R. Unit marked bayonets. 

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Yet another nice set D - but what's that ricasso mark on the S.14?

Oh, and yes, Merry Christmas! Did Santa Claus bring you anything nice in the manner of any pointed things?

Julian

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this is an ersatz bayonet with a handle from 98 bayonet and a blade from a M 1871 bayonet.

it has also and a unit marking and flashguard.

Date on the edge of the blade from 1876 (W 76).

Unit marking is for 81th Infantry Regiment. 

2 more similar examples exists in private collections. A very rare bayonet. 

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That is very nice, you call it a 71/98? We're these official or odd balls like my Bavarian PFM's?

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Steve Merry Christmas. 

This is not calling 71/98 but an ersatz bayonet with handle from 98 bayonet and blade from M 71 bayonet. 

The bayonet is similar with 2 more bayonets existing in private collections. 

The first recorded 50 years before in uk. 

The second in France and this one find it in Alsasce on 2009.

Roy examined all 3 and was sure it is original and it fits absolutely on gewehr 98.

It is probably made in depots or used experimentaly??? 

There are also 2 recorded examples with ersatz handle and M 71 sawback blade. 

Also those are originals. 

And a M 98 handle with 71 sawback blade reffered by P. Kiesling and examined by him and found it original. 

Nevertheless a lot of mysteries still exists on Ww1 german bayonets and some models we have not until today decipher. 

Christian Mery on his book for ersatz bayonets has photos from a blade of a M 1892 French bayonet with handle from M 98 bayonet. Really strange and unrecorded but original absolutely as found it at somme during excavations for a road. 

I will post some photos from the books when have some time. 

Regards

D. 

 

 

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Here are the photos from Christian's Mery  book about ersatz bayonets in which you can see this unique previously unrecorded ersatz bayonet. 

The handle us the same as EB 125 ERSATZ BAYONETS on Carter's and Roy Williams books. 

I took and some photos from the first and last pages as well and the site if Christian for reference reasons. 

The location was Argonne and not Somme as I mentioned previously, where the bayonet found. 

Regards

D. 

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And the 2 other models I am previously referring to. 

Both are catalogue on Ww1 bayonet books and recorded. 

Regards

D. 

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On 25/12/2018 at 16:04, trajan said:

 

Yet another nice set D - but what's that ricasso mark on the S.14?

Oh, and yes, Merry Christmas! Did Santa Claus bring you anything nice in the manner of any pointed things?

Julian

Julian

Here are photos from the S 14, as you ask for. 

Flashguard and sawback removed, extremely rare for S 14.

No, sadly Santa did not bring me anything as I was a very bad boy🎅

Merry christmas

D. 

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  • 2 weeks later...

Thanks for the update D! Sorry Santa did not bring you anything new - but he is making a return visit to me with something he forgot to drop of on the night - a copy of Voronova's «BAYONETS of GERMANY. Pfm 71/98, S98/02, S98/05"... Now I need to buy a Russian-English dictionary

 

Julian

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Hey Demitrios, are there any RARE GW German conversions that you do not have?!!! Awsome collection you have

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12 hours ago, Steve1871 said:

Hey Demitrios, are there any RARE GW German conversions that you do not have?!!! Awsome collection you have

:D

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a very rare ersatz bayonet with fulreded blade, specifically designed to fit only for captured MOSIN NAGANT russian rifles.

this is the ONLY specimen found with fullered blade, so a unique ersatz bayonet.

 

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2 minutes ago, zuluwar2006 said:

a very rare ersatz bayonet with fulreded blade, specifically designed to fit only for captured MOSIN NAGANT russian rifles.

this is the ONLY specimen found with fullered blade, so a unique ersatz bayonet.

 

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Here are some more photos from the tube insert to give forward support. 

This is an extremely rare bayonet rarely seen. 

Watch the full muzzle ring with a part cutout on the right side. 

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On 16/12/2018 at 07:55, zuluwar2006 said:

As I have stated before on this discussion, very few S 98/05 bayonets have been recorded with markings of the imperial navy [kaiserliche marine] mainly because the navy preffered the S 98 used by the infantry. On a very few S 98, dated 1906 - 1907, a crowned M above the date was used, in place of a royal cypher, but no similarly marked S 98/05 has been located.

A single 98/05 is known, which has an M below a simplified imperial krown [kaiserkrone], in place of both cypher and date.

Here are the photos of this extremely rare bayonet 98/05. The manufacturer has been erased and it is marked for Reichswehr with added date on the crossguard 1920.

An Ostsee unit marking is on the scabbard.

Regards to all and have all Merry Christmas and a very happy new year, with prosperity and health to each of you and your family. 

Be well all friends. 

Regards, 

D. 

P. S. My special wishes to Julian and Steve, who are keeping me very active on this discussion with very interesting questions and notices. 

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Bajonett 71/84

With unit marking for the

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With marine M stamping for the imperial navy [kaiserliche marine]. 

This bayonet is not mine. 

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