zuluwar2006 Posted 10 October , 2018 Author Share Posted 10 October , 2018 16 hours ago, trajan said: I read the Original Post too fast and this one came back to me... What is this 'first-use' marking? It is on the left side, so should be first unit it was used by... Very badly struck out, but there is a 'K' and what looks to be an 'S' there... unfortunately there is NO way to get any better photo than this. the unit markings are erased with xxx and sss markings. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 10 October , 2018 Share Posted 10 October , 2018 1 hour ago, zuluwar2006 said: unfortunately there is NO way to get any better photo than this. the unit markings are erased with xxx and sss markings. D. Not seen those 'S' markings used before - learn something new everyday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 16 October , 2018 Author Share Posted 16 October , 2018 On 05/08/2018 at 20:38, zuluwar2006 said: very few S 98/05 bayonets have been recorded with markings of the imperial navy [kaiserliche marine] mainly because the navy preffered the S 98 used by the infantry. On a very few S 98, dated 1906 - 1907, a crowned M above the date was used, in place of a royal cypher, but no similarly marked S 98/05 has been located. A single 98/05 is known, which has an M below a simplified imperial krown [kaiserkrone], in place of both cypher and date. HERE IS A VERY NICE EXAMPLE OF A NAVAL MARKED 84/98 BAYONET [NOT MINE]. A VERY RARE MARKING, WHICH WHEN YOU SEE IT, YOU BUY IT ASAP. REARDS, D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 17 October , 2018 Author Share Posted 17 October , 2018 On 05/08/2018 at 20:38, zuluwar2006 said: A VERY RARE SEEN UNIT MARKING ON A aA 98/05 PLAIN BAYONET. 16.L.J.E.B. LANDEWHR 16TH INFANTERIE REGIMENT ERSATZ BATAILLON A WAR TIME UNIT MARKING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 18 October , 2018 Share Posted 18 October , 2018 (edited) On 16/10/2018 at 21:27, zuluwar2006 said: HERE IS A VERY NICE EXAMPLE OF A NAVAL MARKED 84/98 BAYONET [NOT MINE]. A VERY RARE MARKING, WHICH WHEN YOU SEE IT, YOU BUY IT ASAP. REARDS, D. That's certainly an interesting one - any thoughts on the 'A.R.'? Could be a Feld-Artillerie Rekruten Depot - but I would have expected a number in front where the 'M' stamp is... Edited 18 October , 2018 by trajan amplify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 18 October , 2018 Share Posted 18 October , 2018 21 hours ago, zuluwar2006 said: A VERY RARE SEEN UNIT MARKING ON A aA 98/05 PLAIN BAYONET. 16.L.J.E.B. LANDEWHR 16TH INFANTERIE REGIMENT ERSATZ BATAILLON A WAR TIME UNIT MARKING Interesting one that does not conform to the Regulations... That is to say, the 'J' - a standard mark for this unit would be - I think - something like, "16.L.E.B.293". What date is the bayonet? Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 19 October , 2018 Author Share Posted 19 October , 2018 14 hours ago, trajan said: That's certainly an interesting one - any thoughts on the 'A.R.'? Could be a Feld-Artillerie Rekruten Depot - but I would have expected a number in front where the 'M' stamp is... Julian the markins is for Ersatz Batterie, Feld Artillery Regiment, Rekruten Depot n. 142. This unit fight on Somme and Arras. Regards, D. 14 hours ago, trajan said: Interesting one that does not conform to the Regulations... That is to say, the 'J' - a standard mark for this unit would be - I think - something like, "16.L.E.B.293". What date is the bayonet? Julian julian, is 1915. regards, D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 19 October , 2018 Share Posted 19 October , 2018 5 hours ago, zuluwar2006 said: Julian the markins is for Ersatz Batterie, Feld Artillery Regiment, Rekruten Depot n. 142. This unit fight on Somme and Arras. I wonder why they didn't put the number of the regiment there? Usual practice would be a mark something like - "16.A.R.142"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 20 October , 2018 Author Share Posted 20 October , 2018 19 hours ago, trajan said: I wonder why they didn't put the number of the regiment there? Usual practice would be a mark something like - "16.A.R.142"... Julian during war, and at the front line, it was difficult if no impossible to follow exactly the army regulations for unit markings. So armourers were usually mark the bayonets with different ways and not according the regulations. I hope you like my new bayonets posted. Those were my last bayonets so my collection is all shown in here. Regards, D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 20 October , 2018 Share Posted 20 October , 2018 5 hours ago, zuluwar2006 said: Julian during war, and at the front line, it was difficult if no impossible to follow exactly the army regulations for unit markings. So armourers were usually mark the bayonets with different ways and not according the regulations. I hope you like my new bayonets posted. Those were my last bayonets so my collection is all shown in here. Regards, D. Yes, I can understand and accept that regulations on marking systems not always followed in war-time - but in fact there should not be any war-time markings at all! The 1909 regulations and its predecessors all stated that unit markings were to be applied for weapons in regular service use (i.e., guard duty, etc.) in peacetime only... In fact, there was a reminder issued about this in 1915 or 1916 - I'll try to find it for you - and so in theory nothing made and issued after August 1914 should have any form of unit marking! That aside, thank you so very much for showing us your extra-ordinary collection of German Imperial bayonets! So many unusual and well as the common ones there, and an exceptionally wide range of markings on them! It would be nice to see them in the flesh one day! Best, Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 20 October , 2018 Author Share Posted 20 October , 2018 On 19/09/2018 at 08:07, zuluwar2006 said: an aA sawback 98/05 bayonet manufacturer V.Schilling and Suhl date = 1914 unit markings same with the leather scabbard 3.M.P.K.46 for Marine Pioneer Kompagnie a very rare matching set. The Marines unit markings are extremely rare. Here are some interesting photos from Ww1 imperial german marine korp, very rare to see them, from my Ww1 books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 20 October , 2018 Author Share Posted 20 October , 2018 3 minutes ago, zuluwar2006 said: Here are some interesting photos from Ww1 imperial german marine korp, very rare to see them, from my Ww1 books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 20 October , 2018 Author Share Posted 20 October , 2018 A very very rare 84)98 bayonet saw back with flash guard. On the pommel you can see clearly the word WURRTBG, which means the state of Wittenberg. Unit marking is 1.F.19.71 manufacturer is Gottlieb Hammersfahr Solingen Foche You can see the Adler marking for Wittenberg aside the imperial stamps. An extremely rare Wittenberg marked bayonet, unique until today. And never seen before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 20 October , 2018 Share Posted 20 October , 2018 15 minutes ago, zuluwar2006 said: A very very rare 84)98 bayonet saw back with flash guard. On the pommel you can see clearly the word WURRTBG, which means the state of Wittenberg. Unit marking is 1.F.19.71 manufacturer is Gottlieb Hammersfahr Solingen Foche You can see the Adler marking for Wittenberg aside the imperial stamps. An extremely rare Wittenberg marked bayonet, unique until today. And never seen before. Another nice and unusual piece there! But surely WERTTBG for "Wuerttemburg" = with the Wuerttemburg' stags antler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 20 October , 2018 Author Share Posted 20 October , 2018 1 hour ago, trajan said: Another nice and unusual piece there! But surely WERTTBG for "Wuerttemburg" = with the Wuerttemburg' stags antler? Julian yes, you can see the antler clearly next to the double inspection stamping. And the word is WURRTBG. So for sure WUERTTEMBURG. Julian I forgot to thank you for the nice eords. Yes. Come and see them in flesh whenever you like. My door is open for you and Steve whenever you want to visit me absolutely!!!! Regards, D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 7 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 7 December , 2018 After a long period of been without activity cause business problems I am back. Here are some more precise photos from the last bayonet I made the posting. Indeed a unique bayonet, never recorded before. Regards D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 7 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 7 December , 2018 For comparison reasons some photos with similar very rare markings (those are from ersatz gras bayonets) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 7 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 7 December , 2018 An extremely rare 98)05 sawback nA bayonet with flash guard with matching unit markings on cross guard and on steel scabbard Date is 1916. Third Machinengewehr Abteilung = 3.M.G.A A very rare matching unit marked, war time bayonet. Double manufacturer. ERFURT and STAHLBLUME I bought it from the widow of a collector recently. Regards, D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 7 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 7 December , 2018 AN ETREMELY RARE EB 64 ERSATZ BAYONET CONVERSION OF A BELGIAN MODELE 1870 TWO PIECE CAST STEEL HILT WITH A ROUND OIL HOLE AND SEVEN DIAGONAL GROOVES THE BACK OF THE HILT MARKED A.D.ALTONA THE STEEL CROSSGUARD WITH A SINGLE DIAMETER OPEN TYPE MUZZLE RING. SINGLE EDGE STEEL YATAGAN BLADE WITH WIDE FULLERS. BACK EDGE OF THE BLADE WITH A GERMAN CROWN A ACCEPTANCE STAMP CLOSE TO THE CROSSGUARD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 8 December , 2018 Share Posted 8 December , 2018 Always nice to see these ones from your collection! I'll have to check my files when I get home but I don't think I have come across a 98/05 marked to a MGA before... By the way, have you ever come across that V.V.V.Voronova book - Ukraine or Russian - on "Bayonets Of Germany. Pfm71/98, S98/02, S98/05"? I have been trying to track down a copy but have never been able to find a publisher of other details of where to get it it! Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 8 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 8 December , 2018 Julian 142867779163 Ebay. Co. Uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 9 December , 2018 Share Posted 9 December , 2018 14 hours ago, zuluwar2006 said: Julian 142867779163 Ebay. Co. Uk MANY MANY THANKS! That's my christmas present sorted out from my wife - I'll tell her when it arrives! Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 9 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 9 December , 2018 3 hours ago, trajan said: MANY MANY THANKS! That's my christmas present sorted out from my wife - I'll tell her when it arrives! Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 15 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 15 December , 2018 A very rare French ersatz bayonet (EB 116) converted for the gewehr 88, with regimental marking R 75 5 K 105 for 75 Infantry Regiment (which was situated in Bremen = 1th Hanseatisches) 5th kompagnie, number of soldier 105. The crossguard has the word ART. for Artillery. Unfortunately the next are erased. Normally this is for "Art. Dep. Posen" , as the photo indicates. For unknown reason someone erased it (SO PITTY). Regimental markings on ersatz French bayonets a are very rare and proof of originality. During the war the Artillery depots were in charge of the examination and the sorting of foreign captured arms and bayonets and also the modifying and adopting those arms to reuse them by german imperial army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 15 December , 2018 Share Posted 15 December , 2018 Hey Zulu2006. What book you use to show that rare Frenchie? Great find too, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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