davidbohl Posted 2 April , 2018 Share Posted 2 April , 2018 This chap was connected to the Bank Staff in the solving of Lt Idwal Ben Humphrey He played for a few years before the war http://home.btconnect.com/seftonrufc/s56.jpg It's been difficult to pin him down regarding family etc. but I think he may be the Harold Albert Smith who died in 1981 on the Wirral. There is a T.Capt H.A.Smith in the Royal Defence Corps 1917, seems to be a too higher rank for him ? Thanks Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 2 April , 2018 Share Posted 2 April , 2018 5 minutes ago, davidbohl said: This chap was connected to the Bank Staff in the solving of Lt Idwal Ben Humphrey http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/topic/254647-jbhumphrey-christian-names-from-ancestry-record/ He played for a few years before the war http://home.btconnect.com/seftonrufc/s56.jpg It's been difficult to pin him down regarding family etc. but I think he may be the Harold Albert Smith who died in 1981 on the Wirral. There is a T.Capt H.A.Smith in the Royal Defence Corps 1917, seems to be a too higher rank for him ? Thanks Dave Why do you think the rank is too high for him ? A well educated clerk wouldn't have a problem with getting to Lt, a temp Captaincy in the RDC wouldn't be out of the realms of possibility. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 2 April , 2018 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2018 I'll be more than pleased if it is him, can we find his forenames and expand the paper trail for him ? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 2 April , 2018 Share Posted 2 April , 2018 Wonder if this is him in Nov 1916 Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 2 April , 2018 Share Posted 2 April , 2018 (edited) I'm less inclined to go towards the man who died in 1981. Looking at the death records I suspect he's the Harold born 1901 which would make him too young if he is Harold Albert. If anyone can check the 1939 register there are two possibilities which jump out for Harold A Smith - I'd take a punt on the 1887 man to try and see of Harold A can be ruled out. Craig Edited 2 April , 2018 by ss002d6252 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 2 April , 2018 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2018 1938 Kelly's directory and the 1939 Register puts him in Birmingham Great site for Martins Bank Birmingham http://www.martinsbank.co.uk/11-76-00 Birmingham City Office.htm also return to the Wirral http://www.martinsbank.co.uk/11-83-40 Hoylake.htm Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 2 April , 2018 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2018 The Medal Roll on Ancestry, still won't divulge his forenames. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBrook Posted 2 April , 2018 Share Posted 2 April , 2018 (edited) He appears to be Harold Aubrey Smith, gazetted as a temp. Capt. into 19th (3rd City) Bn. The King's (Liverpool Regiment) 3 November 1914 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28960/supplement/8856 Commission date amended to 3 September 1914 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28973/page/9267 Edit to add:- There was a Harold Aubrey Smith, born about 1888, Chagford Devon in the 1911 census, schoolmaster, lodging at 3, Chatsworth Terrace, Torquay. A medal index card exists for Capt. Harold Aubrey Smith, King's Liverpool Regt. The reverse shows two correspondence addresses (1) Cawsand or Cowsand View, Chagford, Devon (this is struck through), and (2) 135, Chatham Street, Liverpool. There is a death registration for Harold Aubrey Smith, born 2 October 1887, died Liverpool 1969. There appears to be no probate record. Edited 2 April , 2018 by HarryBrook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 2 April , 2018 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2018 (edited) Ancestry has him in the Lodge at Pemboke Dock in 1917 and bingo Schoolmaster Name: Harold Aubrey Smith Age in 1911: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Male Birth Place: Chagford, Devon Civil Parish: Tormoham Search Photos: Search for 'Tormoham' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address: 3 Chatsworth Terrace, Wellesley Road, Torquay Marital Status: Single Occupation: school Master Edited 2 April , 2018 by davidbohl 1911 census Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 2 April , 2018 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2018 Well pleased with that result, thanks GWF Dave "Amongst the military appointments contained in the London Gazette. dated November 1914. is that of Harold Aubrey Smith be captain of the 3rd City Battalion, King's Liverpool Regt. A native of Chagford, the second son of Mr. G. Smith (District Councillor) —he commenced his military training very early in life a bugler-boy in the J Detachment of G Company, 5th (Haytor) Volunteer" Published:Friday 06 November 1914Newspaper:Western Times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 2 April , 2018 Share Posted 2 April , 2018 Born 2 Oct 1887 In 1939 register living with his wife at 17 Talbotville Road , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, . He is disability pensioned Capt in Kings Liverpool, and has had his left arm . He is an Insurance Inspectoramputated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 2 April , 2018 Share Posted 2 April , 2018 Just to finish it off Popped his clogs in the Dec qtr of 1969 Name: Harold Aubrey Smith Death Age: 82 Birth Date: 2 Oct 1887 Registration Date: Dec 1969 Registration district: Liverpool Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 10d Page: 887 Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 2 April , 2018 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2018 The amputation of his arm would certainly finish his rugby career, was it during the war, because of the war or in his civilian life ? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 2 April , 2018 Share Posted 2 April , 2018 Wounded 1916, on the WO casualty list 24th July 1916. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddycher Posted 4 April , 2018 Share Posted 4 April , 2018 (edited) Dave This is Harold Aubrey Smith pre-war. As you state he was indeed an early member of the 5th Devons. Educated at St. Lukes College he joined the 5th VBDR as a Bugler moving to the 5th Devon on forming in 1908. He transferred to the 4th Devons in 1909 ultimately becoming a Sgt. He was the son of George Smith the headmaster of Chagford School and founding member of the Chagford Coy in 1896. George was to serve as a Col.Sgt with the Coy until retiring in 1910. Harold's brother Hubert Leslie Smith was killed in action near St. Quentin on 24th March 1918. Let me know if you want to know more. Regards Dave Edited 4 April , 2018 by ddycher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 4 April , 2018 Share Posted 4 April , 2018 Great photo! Great research. Well done . Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 4 April , 2018 Author Share Posted 4 April , 2018 What a majestic photo Dave, d'you think it's our man in the team photo 1913-14 ? Just had a successful visit to the library, some really interesting snippets, he even joined Capt Mainwairing's lot in ww2 as a Major. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 4 April , 2018 Share Posted 4 April , 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, davidbohl said: d'you think it's our man in the team photo 1913-14 ? Looks like him to me David. Edited 4 April , 2018 by HolymoleyRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddycher Posted 4 April , 2018 Share Posted 4 April , 2018 I think so David. His cleft chin carries on both the pre-war and the bank photos. Regards Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 5 April , 2018 Author Share Posted 5 April , 2018 Great result Dave, I'll do a page now on the club website for him, if I use the photie do I need to acknowledge any copyright ? I noticed your interest in the Indian troops, I've been after a photo of one of our players Percy Charles Kinns who went on to become a Lt-Col in the Indian Army, would you have any leads ? http://home.btconnect.com/seftonrufc/PercyKinns.htm Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddycher Posted 5 April , 2018 Share Posted 5 April , 2018 Not that I am aware of David. Picked it up on the Web years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 6 April , 2018 Author Share Posted 6 April , 2018 (edited) The Devereux database at the Liverpool Museum of Liverpool Life have him "Listed as Dead". I think we are all agreed he was just wounded, I'll try and get that changed. Dave Edited 28 May , 2018 by davidbohl copyright infringed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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