Guest Posted 10 March , 2018 Share Posted 10 March , 2018 Hello! I'm trying to put together my family tree, for my grandmother but I'm a little lost/stuck. My 2nd great aunt, Ely Jane Protheroe, was married to Richard Scott (although I cannot find when or where). I only came across that information because I saw a newspaper article saying he was home (in Cwmaman, Aberdare, Wales) on furlough. They then moved to Manchester to live. The information I have is attached in the newspaper article. He was a stoker on the HMS Lion and part of three engagements, including Jutland. I am clueless to naval terminology and anything in general in regards to the military. Please can anyone help advise me on how I could find more information on him please? Maybe when he was born or died? I have tried searching but I keep hitting dead ends so maybe I'm doing something wrong! I'd really like to come across a photo or at least some more information to share with my Gran! Thank you in advsmce, for your time and help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 10 March , 2018 Admin Share Posted 10 March , 2018 (edited) Hello and welcome to the forum, Hopefully someone who has more experience than me in researching ww1 sailors will be along to guide you on your way. In the meantime the IWM (Imperial War Museum) has some images and associated items relating to the ship that you can view online here https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/search?query=HMS+Lion&filters[periodString][First+World+War]=on I hope you succeed with your research for your Gran Regards David Some of the items on that link can actually only be viewed at the IWM itself and some are not directly related to HMS Lion (foibles of their search engine and my poor skills) - sorry! Edited 10 March , 2018 by DavidOwen PS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERITAGE PLUS Posted 10 March , 2018 Share Posted 10 March , 2018 You could try looking here, but you may need more info first. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/royal-navy-ratings-service-records-1853-1928/ Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 10 March , 2018 Share Posted 10 March , 2018 Since there are six RN stoker ratings called Richard Scott on the Admiralty WW1 RN Ratings Medal Roll - not one of whom was born in Wales - you will need to find out his place and date of birth before you can get much further. Either that or download all their records from Kew and see who served in LION at Jutland. The reference to "...engagements at Antwerp..." brings the Royal Naval Division (RND) to mind but no Richard Scott served with the RND at Antwerp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kath Posted 10 March , 2018 Share Posted 10 March , 2018 (edited) Date of cutting? 1911 Wales Census (This may be Ely) Name: Ely Jane Protheroe [Elizabeth Jane Protheroe] Age in 1911: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1895 Relation to Head: Daughter Birth Place: Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales Civil Parish: Aberdare : Glamorgan : Wales Street address: 1 Railway Row Marital Status: Single Occupation: Working For The Home Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil Registration District Number: 590 Sub-registration district: Aberdare ED:43 Household schedule number: 15 Piece: 32522 Household Members: Name Age Eleazer Protheroe 42Ellen Protheroe 39 Idwal Protheroe 4 Dilys Golenddydd 1 Ellen Protheroe 39 John Protheroe 18 Ely Jane Protheroe 16 Evan James Protheroe 14 David Emlyn Protheroe 11 Catherine May Protheroe 9 Eleanor Protheroe 7 Eleaner Protheroe 6 From https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Marriages Oct/Dec 1915 Richard Scott Elizabeth J. Protheroe District Merthyr T. Vol. 11a Page 1821 Kath. Edited 10 March , 2018 by Kath Father omitted in transcription: Eleazer Protheroe 42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 10 March , 2018 Share Posted 10 March , 2018 His wife's birth year of C.1895 narrows the field a bit: we now have three RN stokers a bit older and one a bit younger:- Born 1891, Birmingham; Born 1892, Salford, Lancs. (Manchester connection?); Born 1893, Eckington, Derbys. and born 1896, Gateshead, Durham. I would incline towards looking at Richard Scott from Salford, Official Number K.9827. His Kew record, which will show if he served in LION, is here - http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6919822 Worth taking a £3.50 punt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kath Posted 10 March , 2018 Share Posted 10 March , 2018 ?? 1911 England Census Name: Richard Scott Age in 1911: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1893 Birth Place: Salford, Lancashire Civil Parish: Devonport, Devon Street address: Royal Naval Barracks, Keyham, Devonport Marital Status: Single Occupation: stoker Registration district: Devonport Registration District Number: 278 Sub-registration district: Tamar ED vessel: 12-14 Piece: 13060 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 10 March , 2018 Share Posted 10 March , 2018 (edited) Clearly served in LION in 1916 but the month of joining is impossible to read (is it March 1916?). He also served in HMS TIGER at the Dogger Bank engagement in early 1915. The "Antwerp" mention seems to be a red herring. He had deserted in 1912 but he rejoined under the amnesty offered to deserters when the war started. Edited 10 March , 2018 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kath Posted 10 March , 2018 Share Posted 10 March , 2018 2 hours ago, horatio2 said: month of joining I think it's June on both lines with a Greek e: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARABIS Posted 10 March , 2018 Share Posted 10 March , 2018 He was posted to Lion on 5. June. 16. It's just badly written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 11 March , 2018 Share Posted 11 March , 2018 If he joined LION in June 1916 he was not at Jutland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 17 May , 2018 Share Posted 17 May , 2018 The Richard Scott from Salford is my Grandad. He was married to a Welsh woman, so I’m guessing he is the person you are looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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