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KMDSwan

Hello! 

I'm trying to put together my family tree, for my grandmother but I'm a little lost/stuck. 

My 2nd great aunt, Ely Jane Protheroe, was married to Richard Scott (although I cannot find when or where). I only came across that information because I saw a newspaper article saying he was home (in Cwmaman, Aberdare, Wales) on furlough. They then moved to Manchester to live.

The information I have is attached in the newspaper article. 

He was a stoker on the HMS Lion and part of three engagements, including Jutland. 

 

I am clueless to naval terminology and anything in general in regards to the military. 

Please can anyone help advise me on how I could find more information on him please? Maybe when he was born or died? 

I have tried searching but I keep hitting dead ends so maybe I'm doing something wrong! I'd really like to come across a photo or at least some more information to share with my Gran! 

 

Thank you in advsmce, for your time and help!

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DavidOwen

Hello and welcome to the forum,

Hopefully someone who has more experience than me in researching ww1 sailors will be along to guide you on your way.

In the meantime the IWM (Imperial War Museum) has some images and associated items relating to the ship that you can view online here https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/search?query=HMS+Lion&filters[periodString][First+World+War]=on

I hope you succeed with your research for your Gran

Regards

David 

 

Some of the items on that link can actually only be viewed at the IWM itself and some are not directly related to HMS Lion (foibles of their search engine and my poor skills) - sorry!

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horatio2

Since there are six RN stoker ratings called Richard Scott on the Admiralty WW1 RN Ratings Medal Roll - not one of whom was born in Wales - you will need to find out his place and date of birth before you can get much further. Either that or download all their records from Kew and see who served in LION at Jutland.

 

The reference to "...engagements at Antwerp..." brings the Royal Naval Division (RND) to mind but no Richard Scott served with the RND at Antwerp.

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Kath

Date of cutting?

1911 Wales Census      (This may be Ely)
Name:    Ely Jane Protheroe
[Elizabeth Jane Protheroe] 
Age in 1911:    16 
Estimated birth year:    abt 1895
Relation to Head:    Daughter
Birth Place:    Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish:    Aberdare    :    Glamorgan  :    Wales
Street address:    1 Railway Row
Marital Status:    Single
Occupation:    Working For The Home
Registration district:    Merthyr Tydfil
Registration District Number:    590
Sub-registration district: Aberdare  ED:43
Household schedule number:    15        Piece:    32522
Household Members:    
Name    Age

Eleazer Protheroe    42
Ellen Protheroe    39
Idwal Protheroe    4
Dilys Golenddydd    1
Ellen Protheroe    39
John Protheroe    18
Ely Jane Protheroe    16
Evan James Protheroe    14
David Emlyn Protheroe    11
Catherine May Protheroe    9
Eleanor Protheroe    7
Eleaner Protheroe    6

From https://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Marriages Oct/Dec 1915   
Richard Scott        Elizabeth  J.  Protheroe      

District  Merthyr T.     Vol. 11a       Page 1821 

 

Kath.

Edited by Kath
Father omitted in transcription: Eleazer Protheroe    42

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horatio2

His wife's birth year of C.1895 narrows the field a bit: we now have three RN stokers a bit older and one a bit younger:-

Born 1891, Birmingham; Born 1892, Salford, Lancs. (Manchester connection?); Born 1893, Eckington, Derbys. and born 1896, Gateshead, Durham.

 

I would incline towards looking at Richard Scott from Salford, Official Number K.9827. His Kew record, which will show if he served in LION, is here - http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6919822

 

Worth taking a £3.50 punt!

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Kath

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1911 England Census
Name:    Richard Scott
Age in 1911:    18
Estimated birth year:    abt 1893
Birth Place:    Salford, Lancashire
Civil Parish:    Devonport,    Devon
Street address:    Royal Naval Barracks, Keyham, Devonport
Marital Status:    Single
Occupation:    stoker
Registration district:    Devonport
Registration District Number:    278
Sub-registration district:    Tamar
ED   vessel:    12-14
Piece:    13060


 

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horatio2

Clearly served in LION in 1916 but the month of joining is impossible to read (is it March 1916?). He also served in HMS TIGER at the Dogger Bank engagement in early 1915. The "Antwerp" mention seems to be a red herring. He had deserted in 1912 but he rejoined under the amnesty offered to deserters when the war started.

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Kath
2 hours ago, horatio2 said:

month of joining

I think it's June on both lines with a Greek e:

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ARABIS

He was posted to Lion on 5. June. 16. It's just badly written.

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horatio2

If he joined LION in June 1916 he was not at Jutland.

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Antkbow

The Richard Scott from Salford is my Grandad. He was married to a Welsh woman, so I’m guessing he is the person you are looking for. 

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