Wounded and taken to two CCSs in succession?

[rolt968]

Pte. James Murray, 420754, 16 Battalion CEF was wounded in the neck and/or the throat on 4 August 1916. He returned to duty on 13 August 1916. Unfortunately although his full record survives, the medical records are confused and at times out of order.

 

If taken at face value he was evacuated to 12 Casualty Clearing Station (gunshot wound to the neck )  then (i.e. next line) to 10 Casualty Clearing Station (gunshot wound to neck) then (next line) back to 12 Casualty Clearing Station (gunshot wound to throat).

 

Is it possible that he was moved from one casualty clearing station to another ( and back?) or is it confusion in the record keeping.

 

(Sadly James Murray was killed in action between 4 and 7 September 1916.)

 

RM

Edited 23 February , 2018 by rolt968

[ss002d6252]

26 minutes ago, rolt968 said:

Pte. James Murray, 420754, 16 Battalion CEF was wounded in the neck and/or the throat on 4 August 1916. He returned to duty on 13 August 1916. Unfortunately although his full record survives, the medical records are confused and at times out of order.

 

If taken at face value he was evacuated to 12 Casualty Clearing Station (gunshot wound to the neck )  then (i.e. next line) to 10 Casualty Clearing Station (gunshot wound to neck) then (next line) back to 12 Casualty Clearing Station (gunshot wound to throat).

 

Is it possible that he was moved from one casualty clearing station to another ( and back?) or is it confusion in the record keeping.

 

(Sadly James Murray was killed in action between 4 and 7 September 1916.)

 

RM

I have seen a case before of a man being moved to another CCS but I couldn't work out exactly why - I wonder if it was determined to be relatively minor and the initial CCS was being kept open for more serious cases so he was transferred. That could be the case if the CCS were located close together so they could readily move patients.

Craig

[rolt968]

1 minute ago, ss002d6252 said:

I have seen a case before of a man being moved to another CCS but I couldn't work out exactly why - I wonder if it was determined to be relatively minor and the initial CCS was being kept open for more serious cases so he was transferred. That could be the case if the CCS were located close together so they could readily move patients.

Craig

Thanks Craig.

 

That could match this situation where he was returned to service fairly quickly without (apparently) being evacuated further. I say apparently as he was also wounded in December 1915 and the line of places he was evacuated to varies between the different pages of his record.)

RM

[petestarling]

Do not forget that some CCS specialised in various types of wounds; head, chest etc so perhaps on his initial admission it was decided to move him to a more specialised CCS rather than evacuate him rearwards straight away.

[rolt968]

2 hours ago, petestarling said:

Do not forget that some CCS specialised in various types of wounds; head, chest etc so perhaps on his initial admission it was decided to move him to a more specialised CCS rather than evacuate him rearwards straight away.

 

Thank you, I had wondered about that but did not know.

Again the documents make it a possibility. On CCS giving the diagnosis as a wound to the neck and the other as a wound to the throat.

 

RM

[sotonmate]

10 CCS was based at REMY SIDINGS (Poperinghe/Lijssenthoek vicinity) from Jul 1915 to Apr 1918. 12 CCS was based at HAZEBROUCK from Jun 1915 to May 1917 (LLT).

Around 20kms apart and almost certainly on the rail feed network. As well as agreeing that some had specialisms I have often seen the comment in CCS Diaries "Open for taking In" or similar comment, which I take as occasionally being closed etc and for which there had to be some flexibility on a short timescale .

Edited 27 February , 2018 by sotonmate

[TEW]

I've looked at the dairies for 10 & 12 CCS, I'm not sure if all your records have admitted/discharged all on 4/8/1916 or succesive days?

 

Looking at the diaries it would be odd to move from 12 then 10 then back to 12. More likely admitted to 10CCS then to 12CCS.

 

10 CCS were based at Hazebrouck 22/1/1915 until they moved to Abeele (Remy Siding) 20/6/1915. From 4/7/15 to at least May 1917 the diary records that they evacuated wounded back to the Hazebrouck group of CCSs including 12CCS.

So for 4/8/16 they have;

 

Admitted Officers 9, Other Ranks 99.

Evacuated to base officers 8 ORs 110.

To Hazebrouck officers 3.

By passenger train to Hazebrouck other ranks 6.

 

12 CCS for 4/8/16.

Admitted 59, Evacuated 2, Duty 17

 

Can't see anything that explains why 10CCS admitted wounded and then evacuated them to the Hazebrouck group of CCSs including 12CCS.

TEW

 

[rolt968]

Thank you for your research

 

I am far from convinced that the order in which events are recorded in the record are necessarily the order in which they happened. Evacuation to 10 CCS the to 12 CCS seems eminently likely. Strangely 10 CCS is mentioned on only one page. All the others mention 12 CCS only.

 

RM

Edited 6 March , 2018 by rolt968