MikeyH Posted 13 January , 2018 Share Posted 13 January , 2018 38 minutes ago, trajan said: Good to see you back SS - yes, another New Year, and Trajan is indeed "still here!" So Happy New Year also to you! When you get a chance, have a look at something you might like: An Investigation of the Weights of Pattern 1907 Bayonets made in the UK around the First World War Period.pdf Julian, Congratulations, a most interesting survey, thanks for the link. Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 13 January , 2018 Share Posted 13 January , 2018 35 minutes ago, MikeyH said: Congratulations, a most interesting survey, thanks for the link. Thank you! But all credit really to the main author, better known here on GWF as JMB - he did the really hard thinking stuff! And note there will be more from us in a similar vein in the future, individually and quite possibly collectively also - and we'll keep you all on GWF posted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 13 January , 2018 Share Posted 13 January , 2018 Trajan, Thank you for the kind words, but to me it was a 50/50 joint effort ! Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave66 Posted 13 January , 2018 Share Posted 13 January , 2018 17 minutes ago, JMB1943 said: Trajan, Thank you for the kind words, but to me it was a 50/50 joint effort ! Regards, JMB Read it a while back once first published, and credit to you both. Look forward to the next instalment, so do keep us informed. give us a clue as to the subject. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 14 January , 2018 Share Posted 14 January , 2018 Hello Dave, Thank you likewise for the kind words. Next installment concerns the origins of the 10,000 Pattern 1907 Bayonets sent by BSA to Siam to accompany the order for SMLE rifles in 1920. The paper is in press (same journal) and is scheduled to appear in the Spring, 2018 issue. I’ll post up the link when it becomes available. Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave66 Posted 14 January , 2018 Share Posted 14 January , 2018 14 minutes ago, JMB1943 said: Hello Dave, Thank you likewise for the kind words. Next installment concerns the origins of the 10,000 Pattern 1907 Bayonets sent by BSA to Siam to accompany the order for SMLE rifles in 1920. The paper is in press (same journal) and is scheduled to appear in the Spring, 2018 issue. I’ll post up the link when it becomes available. Regards, JMB Hello J.M.B. look forward to it, and many thanks to you both for taking the time to analyse those figures and statistics that we all take for granted but don't probably think of in depth. all the the very best, Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 14 January , 2018 Share Posted 14 January , 2018 24 minutes ago, JMB1943 said: Hello Dave, Thank you likewise for the kind words. Next installment concerns the origins of the 10,000 Pattern 1907 Bayonets sent by BSA to Siam to accompany the order for SMLE rifles in 1920. The paper is in press (same journal) and is scheduled to appear in the Spring, 2018 issue. I’ll post up the link when it becomes available. Regards, JMB Did you track down the original contract docs? I just got another Siamese contract rifle in much better condition than my first. Haven't seen a bayonet for sale for several months - there was a while when they were regularly popping up on eBay. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave66 Posted 14 January , 2018 Share Posted 14 January , 2018 5 minutes ago, 4thGordons said: Did you track down the original contract docs? I just got another Siamese contract rifle in much better condition than my first. Haven't seen a bayonet for sale for several months - there was a while when they were regularly popping up on eBay. Chris Haven't seen a bayonet for a few years now....used to be qiute regular here. Turned down a few, wished I hadn't now!!😢. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 14 January , 2018 Share Posted 14 January , 2018 Just now, Dave66 said: Haven't seen a bayonet for a few years now....used to be qiute regular here. Turned down a few, wished I hadn't now!!😢. Well prompted by this post I went and looked, and there is in fact one currently listed on eBay -rather expensive though! I pick them up whenever I see them - hoping one day to find the match to my rifles number -- hey it's a 2/10,000 chance right Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 14 January , 2018 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2018 16 hours ago, trajan said: The bayonet itself is one of the late model French M. 1866 "Lebel" versions - "late" because although it has the "German silver" hilt associated with the original model, it has lost its quillon and so should be a - if a recall correctly - a 1916 one. There should be a number on the base of the crossguard. BUT, does this have a 40cm blade? In which case it might be (as the scabbard and frog suggest) a WW2 German conversion - a "Seitengewehr 103(f)". The frog looks original, and so a fairly rare item! Trajan Many thanks. I'm going to take another look at the collection as others have suggested additional markings might be found on the bayonets; I'll see if the ones suggested by yourself are there. Regards Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 14 January , 2018 Share Posted 14 January , 2018 18 hours ago, JMB1943 said: ... Thank you likewise for the kind words. ... Next installment concerns the origins of the 10,000 Pattern 1907 Bayonets sent by BSA to Siam to accompany the order for SMLE rifles in 1920. ... Yes, thanks Dave and all others who had a peep at the article, which really was JMB's baby, so there mate! As for my next one it is probably going to be a properly referenced account of the Peabody-Martini M.1874, for which there is documentary and putative archaeological evidence for its use into WW1 and, indeed, documentary evidence for its "use" (i.e., being on the books) up to the 1930's... This one is in draft and fights with another, a general documentary account on Ersatz bayonets, to be finished first...!!! Like JMB, I'll keep you posted! Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 14 January , 2018 Share Posted 14 January , 2018 9 hours ago, alantwo said: Many thanks. I'm going to take another look at the collection as others have suggested additional markings might be found on the bayonets; I'll see if the ones suggested by yourself are there. Please do! Looks to be a bit of a mish-mash collection, as it were, but I am pretty confident on the identification of that WW2 period converted French one as I have something similar myself - but without a scabbard, never mind the right frog! If you like, though, I can ask around on the ID of that one, especially that frog. Oh, and yes - the conversion and scabbard and frog are indeed WW2 - but the bayonet is a WW1 type, so discussion does belong here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 18 January , 2018 Author Share Posted 18 January , 2018 On 14/01/2018 at 18:56, trajan said: Please do! Looks to be a bit of a mish-mash collection, as it were, but I am pretty confident on the identification of that WW2 period converted French one as I have something similar myself - but without a scabbard, never mind the right frog! If you like, though, I can ask around on the ID of that one, especially that frog. Oh, and yes - the conversion and scabbard and frog are indeed WW2 - but the bayonet is a WW1 type, so discussion does belong here! Trajan Thanks for your reply. Any information you can add would be gratefully received. I used the term collection but I just happened to see them hanging up under the staircase in my relatives house, I'd never seen them before. I'll ask when I see him next why he has them, but I think he just picked them up from time to time when he was younger; not a serious collector shall we say. As yourself and others have helpfully suggested there may be more information on the bayonets, if not corroded away, I'll take a look and report back. Regards Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 22 May , 2018 Share Posted 22 May , 2018 On 1/13/2018 at 19:15, JMB1943 said: Hello Dave, Thank you likewise for the kind words. Next installment concerns the origins of the 10,000 Pattern 1907 Bayonets sent by BSA to Siam to accompany the order for SMLE rifles in 1920. The paper is in press (same journal) and is scheduled to appear in the Spring, 2018 issue. I’ll post up the link when it becomes available. Regards, JMB As promised, the link is http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17416124.2018.1436491 Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave66 Posted 22 May , 2018 Share Posted 22 May , 2018 3 hours ago, JMB1943 said: As promised, the link is http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17416124.2018.1436491 Regards, JMB Thanks for that JMB, All the best, Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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