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German raid west of Houthem 1 Sept 1917 - British battalion / brigade ID sought (part of 30th Division?)

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Phil Evans

Bee Farm, as mentioned above, is on the crossroads, approximately at 28.O.23.b.2.5

 

Phil

 

Edit: Go to post #1 in this thread and it is marked on the map, on the left hand side, right at the top, in what would be Square 7243.

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rgilbert

Found it - thank you very much.  .

 

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Phil Evans

The nearest concrete structure that I can see is on the May 1918 map at 28.O.23.b.5.4

 

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rgilbert

Nor does it show on the pre Messines Ridge Maps.  Perhaps it was too far back to be picked up.  In any event, here is the German account and my translation.  Feel free to correct.  This is from the History of the 17th Reserve Field Artillery Regiment.

Wer in seiner Stellung einen guten Betonbunker fand, konnte von Glück sagen, den das artillerie gelände  bekam heftiges Feuer. An Schusssichere oder splittersichere Geschütze stande war natulich nicht zu denken , unsere Geschütze standen frei da, nur gegen Flieger gedeckt.  Die meisten Stellungen waren--ein unangenehmes Gefühl -- vom Feinde aus einzusehen. Die Beobachtungs verhaltnisse waren fur uns im allgemeinem gunstig, diedie Grundrichtung war in diesem abschnitt  fur viele batterien der "Lemmerzahlhof," ein gewaltiger Beton klotz beim Englander, noch aus deutscher Zeit stammend, der trotz zahlreicher Volltreffer nicht klein zu kriegen war. Bewohnt war es auch, Verkehr auch  und ein war genau zu beobachten, denn der Eingang war uns zugeführt.

 

Anyone who found a good concrete bunker in his position could say “good luck” as the artillery area got heavy fire.  Of  bomp proof or fragment proof gun posts, of course, that was unthinkable. Our guns stood there free, covered only against fliers.  Most positions were - an unpleasant feeling - visible to  the enemy. The observational conditions were favorable for us in general, the basic direction in this section was for many batteries the "Lemmerzahlhof," a huge concrete block in the Englishman (sector), which originated in German times.  It had not been reduced in size despite numerous direct hits.  It was also inhabited and there was traffic  and one was to watch it closely, because the entrance had been repurposed

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