clk Posted 13 November , 2017 Share Posted 13 November , 2017 Hi, I've just noticed Searches seem to go through to images of MH 106 registers Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 13 November , 2017 Share Posted 13 November , 2017 (edited) Very interesting.-can browse by Hospital/CCS . Is this going to be a duplicate of what ForcesWarRecords have set up? If so it will offer the ability to search by regiment perhaps, which FWR dont offer. I dont have FMP so would be interested to see if there is an explanation. But putting in RGA for Corps I get this (although I cannot go deeper) Edited 13 November , 2017 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 13 November , 2017 Author Share Posted 13 November , 2017 Hi, It will be interesting to see if FMP add more records. It looks like they currently have +200,000, whereas FWR currently have +1,000,000. The total in the MH 106 series is, I understand, about 2,000,000. FMP have transcriptions and linked images of the register entry. FWR only have transcriptions, and their search page seems less flexible. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 13 November , 2017 Share Posted 13 November , 2017 (edited) So FWR have a small window. Unless they increase the flexibilty of their search and provide the link back to original image they will lose their current significant advantage. For me it is those records alone that justify a FWR subscription. Have FMP made any announcement ? What is timescale to get to 2m ? Do they intend to go that far? And of course as Bardess's posts show, there is a lot more on the CCS War Diaries that is not yet accessible to searching. What happened to NA's War Diary crowdsourcing project? Charlie Edited 13 November , 2017 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 13 November , 2017 Share Posted 13 November , 2017 Some years ago I had to place a freedom of information request in to view some of these MH106 records. I agree with the late Sue Light, some of the information contained in these records should not be placed in the Public Domain, some do indeed contain sensitive information. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAW Posted 13 November , 2017 Share Posted 13 November , 2017 Findmypast appears to place these records in two categories (see attached). When browsed, these two categories seem to include the same records, so I do not know why they are separate. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 13 November , 2017 Share Posted 13 November , 2017 It looks a bit odd, but it is useful. The first gives you a search facility while the second allows browsing through the documents. FMP do it with at least one other set, It means you can browse for something which has not been indexed. RM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Porter Posted 13 November , 2017 Share Posted 13 November , 2017 They have been quite selective. These are the files that are currently available to browse: Mh 106/1 Mh 106/2 Mh 106/3 Mh 106/4 Mh 106/11 Mh 106/12 Mh 106/13 Mh 106/14 Mh 106/15 Mh 106/16 Mh 106/17 Mh 106/18 Mh 106/19 Mh 106/20 Mh 106/21 Mh 106/22 Mh 106/23 Mh 106/24 Mh 106/25 Mh 106/26 Mh 106/27 Mh 106/28 Mh 106/29 Mh 106/30 Mh 106/31 Mh 106/32 Mh 106/33 Mh 106/34 Mh 106/35 Mh 106/36 Mh 106/37 Mh 106/38 Mh 106/39 Mh 106/41 Mh 106/42 Mh 106/53 Mh 106/54 Mh 106/55 Mh 106/60 Mh 106/65 Mh 106/66 Mh 106/67 Mh 106/68 Mh 106/69 Mh 106/70 Mh 106/71 Mh 106/72 Mh 106/73 Mh 106/74 Mh 106/75 Mh 106/76 Mh 106/77 Mh 106/78 Mh 106/79 Mh 106/80 Mh 106/81 Mh 106/82 Mh 106/83 Mh 106/84 Mh 106/85 Mh 106/86 Mh 106/87 Mh 106/88 Mh 106/89 Mh 106/90 Mh 106/91 Mh 106/92 Mh 106/93 Mh 106/94 Mh 106/95 Mh 106/96 Mh 106/97 Mh 106/98 Mh 106/99 Mh 106/100 Mh 106/101 Mh 106/102 Mh 106/103 Mh 106/104 Mh 106/105 Mh 106/106 Mh 106/118 Mh 106/119 Mh 106/139 Mh 106/140 Mh 106/141 Mh 106/142 Mh 106/144 Mh 106/155 Mh 106/156 Mh 106/157 Mh 106/158 Mh 106/170 Mh 106/171 Mh 106/172 Mh 106/173 Mh 106/174 Mh 106/175 Mh 106/176 Mh 106/177 Mh 106/178 Mh 106/179 Mh 106/180 Mh 106/181 Mh 106/182 Mh 106/183 Mh 106/184 Mh 106/185 Mh 106/216 Mh 106/217 Mh 106/218 Mh 106/219 Mh 106/220 Mh 106/221 Mh 106/222 Mh 106/223 Mh 106/224 Mh 106/225 Mh 106/226 Mh 106/227 Mh 106/228 Mh 106/229 Mh 106/230 Mh 106/231 Mh 106/232 Mh 106/233 Mh 106/234 Mh 106/235 Mh 106/238 Mh 106/239 Mh 106/240 Mh 106/242 Mh 106/244 Mh 106/245 Mh 106/246 Mh 106/247 Mh 106/248 Mh 106/249 Mh 106/250 Mh 106/279 Mh 106/280 Mh 106/281 Mh 106/282 Mh 106/283 Mh 106/284 Mh 106/285 Mh 106/286 Mh 106/287 Mh 106/288 Mh 106/289 Mh 106/290 Mh 106/291 Mh 106/292 Mh 106/293 Mh 106/294 Mh 106/295 Mh 106/296 Mh 106/297 Mh 106/298 Mh 106/299 Mh 106/300 Mh 106/301 Mh 106/302 Mh 106/303 Mh 106/304 Mh 106/305 Mh 106/306 Mh 106/307 Mh 106/308 Mh 106/329 Mh 106/330 Mh 106/331 Mh 106/332 Mh 106/333 Mh 106/334 Mh 106/335 Mh 106/336 Mh 106/337 Mh 106/338 Mh 106/339 Mh 106/340 Mh 106/341 Mh 106/342 Mh 106/385 Mh 106/680 Mh 106/681 Mh 106/682 Mh 106/683 Mh 106/684 Mh 106/685 Mh 106/686 Mh 106/687 Mh 106/688 Mh 106/689 Mh 106/690 Mh 106/691 Mh 106/692 Mh 106/693 Mh 106/694 Mh 106/695 Mh 106/696 Mh 106/697 Mh 106/698 Mh 106/699 Mh 106/700 Mh 106/701 Mh 106/702 Mh 106/703 Mh 106/704 Mh 106/705 Mh 106/706 Mh 106/707 Mh 106/708 Mh 106/709 Mh 106/710 Mh 106/712 Mh 106/714 Mh 106/717 Mh 106/718 Mh 106/719 Mh 106/725 Mh 106/726 Mh 106/728 Mh 106/729 Mh 106/731 Mh 106/732 Mh 106/733 Mh 106/734 Mh 106/735 Mh 106/736 Mh 106/820 Mh 106/821 Mh 106/1198 Mh 106/1293 Mh 106/1326 Mh 106/1327 Mh 106/1328 Mh 106/1329 Mh 106/1330 Mh 106/1331 Mh 106/1332 Mh 106/1333 Mh 106/1334 Mh 106/1335 Mh 106/1647 Mh 106/1660 Mh 106/1661 Mh 106/1662 Mh 106/1664 Mh 106/1665 Mh 106/1667 Mh 106/1668 Mh 106/1669 Mh 106/1671 Mh 106/1682 Mh 106/1690 Mh 106/1699 Mh 106/1700 Mh 106/1704 Mh 106/1709 Mh 106/1715 Mh 106/1935 Mh 106/1936 Mh 106/1937 Mh 106/1938 Mh 106/1939 Mh 106/1940 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaureenE Posted 13 November , 2017 Share Posted 13 November , 2017 The information given by Findmypast says Due to data protection, Findmypast has only published records where the admission year is dated back 100 years. For this reason, more records will be released in the coming years. https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/british-armed-forces-first-world-war-soldiers-medical-records Cheers Maureen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 13 November , 2017 Share Posted 13 November , 2017 1 minute ago, Maureene said: Due to data protection Hasn't worried FWR ! (thank goodness) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Underdown Posted 14 November , 2017 Share Posted 14 November , 2017 Charlie, There's a bit of a difference between transcribing key points of a record and making the image of the whole thing available. It's a pretty tricky area in terms of sensitivity. Strictly speaking it's not just data protection but medical confidentiality. Medical records generally (now) can't be fully opened for 100 years from the date of the record, whereas under ordinary data protection it's typically 100 years from date of birth of record subject (in the absence of definite evidence of the death of the record subject).You can broadly assume that those treated were of course already over 18 (though allowances have to be made for the fact people are known to have lied about their age), but I understand the records do also potentially contain details of eg French and Belgian civilians who happened to receive treatment at a British medical facility for whatever reason (and some of those could be young children). It gets blurred as the mere fact of a hospital admission (and even what caused such an admission) is not in the strictest sense a medical record, but once you get into details of treatment and the sorts of things you might be discussing with your GP then that higher level of confidentiality comes in. These records were transferred to TNA long before current data protection norms were established. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 14 November , 2017 Share Posted 14 November , 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, Maureene said: The information given by Findmypast says Due to data protection, Findmypast has only published records where the admission year is dated back 100 years. For this reason, more records will be released in the coming years. https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/british-armed-forces-first-world-war-soldiers-medical-records Cheers Maureen Thanks Maureen I will wait (relatively) patiently. RM Edited 14 November , 2017 by rolt968 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 14 November , 2017 Share Posted 14 November , 2017 6 hours ago, David_Underdown said: transcribing key points of a record David, thanks for explaining the subtleties. Does this mean that FWR's transcriptions may just be a summary and that when we got to see the original doc there may be some more info available to help research? Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Underdown Posted 15 November , 2017 Share Posted 15 November , 2017 Potentially (and of course there's always the benefit of being able to decide how accurate you think the transcription actually is) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 15 November , 2017 Share Posted 15 November , 2017 23 hours ago, David_Underdown said: Medical records generally (now) can't be fully opened for 100 years from the date of the record, whereas under ordinary data protection it's typically 100 years from date of birth of record subject I'd like to try and re-assure forum members, that by and large, in civilian life, their own GP or Hospital records will probably only be retained for 10 years after their death. So it is unlikely that anyone will be poring over your records in 100 years time. (There are exceptions- obstetric , paediatric & mental health records, or if there is ongoing litigation etc). Curiously, if you leave the country, and reside in a non-EU country, your GP records could potentially be destroyed after only 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 15 November , 2017 Share Posted 15 November , 2017 53 minutes ago, David_Underdown said: there's always the benefit of being able to decide how accurate you think the transcription actually is Very important, in my view. FWR seem to have taken great care with their transcriptions but there are errors inevitably yet no way of verifying without asking FWR to check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themonsstar Posted 15 November , 2017 Share Posted 15 November , 2017 (edited) The sheet from MH106/385 Edited 15 November , 2017 by themonsstar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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David_Underdown Posted 15 November , 2017 Share Posted 15 November , 2017 6 hours ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: I'd like to try and re-assure forum members, that by and large, in civilian life, their own GP or Hospital records will probably only be retained for 10 years after their death. So it is unlikely that anyone will be poring over your records in 100 years time. (There are exceptions- obstetric , paediatric & mental health records, or if there is ongoing litigation etc). Curiously, if you leave the country, and reside in a non-EU country, your GP records could potentially be destroyed after only 2 years. Quite so: the decision as to whether a given set of records should be selected for permanent preservation is quite separate from any closure period then applied to the records once selected. Similarly though armed forces service records have been selected for preservation personnel files in other contexts generally aren't (even in eg the civil service). In the medical arena things that might be treated differently are records relating to treatment trials and the like which might be preserved longer for regulatory reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddyO Posted 15 November , 2017 Share Posted 15 November , 2017 I get one 'hit' for my GGU on this new set on FMP and two 'hits' for the same soldier on FWR. Nice to see the original image on FMP though which I can save and keep. Thanks for posting about this Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 15 November , 2017 Share Posted 15 November , 2017 (edited) I noticed this on FMP for the first time on Tuesday. In the December 1915 WD of 14 Div CRE there are nominal rolls of all the Field Companies and the Signals Co. I am currently checking the service numbers on FMP to search for more RE casualty lists. I checked 42362 J Bolam and up came a page from MH 106/41, (14 Field Ambulance 1917), 40122 S Cole, which produced a page from MH 106/708 (34 CCS 16/09/1916) and 40921 C Childe, which produced a page from MH 106/1198 (Index 18 GH ). All the men are shown on the NR for 61 FC. Four years ago I spent some time at Kew going through the existing books in MH 106 from 01/07/1916 to 30/09/1916. Brian Edited 15 November , 2017 by brianmorris547 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Underdown Posted 16 November , 2017 Share Posted 16 November , 2017 15 hours ago, PaddyO said: I get one 'hit' for my GGU on this new set on FMP and two 'hits' for the same soldier on FWR. Nice to see the original image on FMP though which I can save and keep. Thanks for posting about this Chris. If there's enough info on the FWR one you might be able to use it to browse to the original image on FMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 16 November , 2017 Share Posted 16 November , 2017 3 hours ago, David_Underdown said: If there's enough info on the FWR one you might be able to use it to browse to the original image on FMP FWR are well ahead of FMP, but for how long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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