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Very interesting.-can browse by Hospital/CCS . Is this going to be a duplicate of what ForcesWarRecords have set up? If so it will offer the ability to search by regiment perhaps, which FWR dont offer.

 

I dont have FMP so would be interested to see if there is an explanation. But putting in RGA for Corps I get this (although I cannot go deeper)

 

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Hi,

 

It will be interesting to see if FMP add more records. It looks like they currently have +200,000, whereas FWR currently have +1,000,000. The total in the MH 106 series is, I understand, about 2,000,000. FMP have transcriptions and linked images of the register entry. FWR only have transcriptions, and their search page seems less flexible.

 

Regards

Chris

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So FWR have a small  window. Unless they increase the flexibilty of their search and provide the link back to original image they will lose their current significant advantage. For me it is those records alone that justify a FWR subscription.

 

Have FMP made any announcement ? What is timescale to get to 2m ? Do they intend to go that far?

 

And of course as Bardess's posts show, there is a lot more on the CCS War Diaries that is not yet accessible to searching. What happened to NA's War Diary crowdsourcing project?

 

Charlie

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Some years ago I had to place a freedom of information request in to view some of these MH106 records. I agree with the late Sue Light, some of the information contained in these records should not be placed in the Public Domain, some do indeed contain sensitive information.

 

Andy

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Findmypast appears to place these records in two categories (see attached).

 

When browsed, these two categories seem to include the same records, so I do not know why they are separate.

 

Mark

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It looks a bit odd, but it is useful. The first gives you a search facility while the second allows browsing through the documents. FMP do it with at least one other set, It means you can browse for something which has not been indexed.

RM

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They have been quite selective.

These are the files that are currently available to browse:

 

Mh 106/1
Mh 106/2
Mh 106/3
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Mh 106/11
Mh 106/12
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The information given by Findmypast says

Due to data protection, Findmypast has only published records where the admission year is dated back 100 years. For this reason, more records will be released in the coming years.

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/british-armed-forces-first-world-war-soldiers-medical-records

 

Cheers

Maureen

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Charlie,

 

There's a bit of a difference between transcribing key points of a record and making the image of the whole thing available.  It's a pretty tricky area in terms of sensitivity.  Strictly speaking it's not just data protection but medical confidentiality.  Medical records generally (now) can't be fully opened for 100 years from the date of the record, whereas under ordinary data protection it's typically 100 years from date of birth of record subject (in the absence of definite evidence of the death of the record subject).You can broadly assume that those treated were of course already over 18 (though allowances have to be made for the fact people are known to have lied about their age), but I understand the records do also potentially contain details of eg French and Belgian civilians who happened to receive treatment at a British medical facility for whatever reason (and some of those could be young children).

 

It gets blurred as the mere fact of a hospital admission (and even what caused such an admission) is not in the strictest sense a medical record, but once you get into details of treatment and the sorts of things you might be discussing with your GP then that higher level of confidentiality comes in.  These records were transferred to TNA long before current data protection norms were established.

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16 hours ago, Maureene said:

The information given by Findmypast says

 

Due to data protection, Findmypast has only published records where the admission year is dated back 100 years. For this reason, more records will be released in the coming years.

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/british-armed-forces-first-world-war-soldiers-medical-records

 

Cheers

Maureen

 

Thanks Maureen

I will wait (relatively) patiently.

RM

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6 hours ago, David_Underdown said:

transcribing key points of a record

David, thanks for explaining the subtleties. Does this mean that FWR's transcriptions  may just be a summary and that when we got to see the original doc there may be some more info available to help research?

Charlie

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Potentially (and of course there's always the benefit of being able to decide how accurate you think the transcription actually is)

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23 hours ago, David_Underdown said:

Medical records generally (now) can't be fully opened for 100 years from the date of the record, whereas under ordinary data protection it's typically 100 years from date of birth of record subject

 I'd like to try and re-assure forum members, that by and large, in civilian life, their own GP or Hospital records will probably only be retained for 10 years after their death.

So it is unlikely that  anyone will be poring over your records in 100 years time.

(There are exceptions- obstetric , paediatric & mental health records, or if there is ongoing litigation etc).

Curiously, if you leave the country, and reside in a non-EU country, your GP records could potentially be destroyed after only 2 years.

 

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53 minutes ago, David_Underdown said:

there's always the benefit of being able to decide how accurate you think the transcription actually is

Very important, in my view. FWR seem to have taken great care with their transcriptions but there are errors inevitably yet no way of verifying without asking FWR to check.

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6 hours ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

 I'd like to try and re-assure forum members, that by and large, in civilian life, their own GP or Hospital records will probably only be retained for 10 years after their death.

So it is unlikely that  anyone will be poring over your records in 100 years time.

(There are exceptions- obstetric , paediatric & mental health records, or if there is ongoing litigation etc).

Curiously, if you leave the country, and reside in a non-EU country, your GP records could potentially be destroyed after only 2 years.

 

 

Quite so: the decision as to whether a given set of records should be selected for permanent preservation is quite separate from any closure period then applied to the records once selected.

 

Similarly though armed forces service records have been selected for preservation personnel files in other contexts generally aren't (even in eg the civil service).

 

In the medical arena things that might be treated differently are records relating to treatment trials and the like which might be preserved longer for regulatory reasons.

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I get one 'hit' for my GGU on this new set on FMP and two 'hits' for the same soldier on FWR. Nice to see the original image on FMP though which I can save and keep. 

Thanks for posting about this Chris.

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I noticed this on FMP for the first time on Tuesday. In the December 1915 WD of 14 Div CRE there are nominal rolls of all the Field Companies and the Signals Co. I am currently checking the service numbers on FMP to search for more RE casualty lists. I checked 42362 J Bolam and up came a page from MH 106/41, (14 Field Ambulance 1917), 40122 S Cole, which produced a page from MH 106/708 (34 CCS 16/09/1916) and 40921 C Childe, which produced a page from MH 106/1198 (Index 18 GH ). All the men are shown on the NR for 61 FC. Four years ago I spent some time at Kew going through the existing books in MH 106 from 01/07/1916 to 30/09/1916. 

Brian

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15 hours ago, PaddyO said:

I get one 'hit' for my GGU on this new set on FMP and two 'hits' for the same soldier on FWR. Nice to see the original image on FMP though which I can save and keep. 

Thanks for posting about this Chris.

If there's enough info on the FWR one you might be able to use it to browse to the original image on FMP

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3 hours ago, David_Underdown said:

If there's enough info on the FWR one you might be able to use it to browse to the original image on FMP

FWR are well ahead of FMP, but for how long?

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