Terry_11 Posted 10 November , 2017 Share Posted 10 November , 2017 I have half the ID disc of the abovenamed. Further information is that DOB/POB was 16 Jan 93, Ungstein PF. Further information is: A.2.65. 1 ERS Batl. BAV. 18 J. R. 1.K. The reverse has: Bav. 18 J.R. 12. K. No. 99. I would like to know more about Wilhelm. There is a file on Ancestry with the same name, but I don't have a subscription for that portion of the forum. If anyone can assist it would be most appreciated. Regards, Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 10 November , 2017 Share Posted 10 November , 2017 Welome to GWF! Hopefully, it is the bottom half!!! A picture would help to determine which model you have - sounds like it might be a M.1916... As I understand it, he went from the 1 Ersatz Bataillon Kgl. Bayer. 18. Infanterie-Regiment Prinz Ludwig Ferdinand, 1 Kompagnie, to the regiment proper, 12 Kompagnie. Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 10 November , 2017 Share Posted 10 November , 2017 Hello, Could you post a picture? Is it a relic? Where did you get the disc? Wilhelm Holler died near Messines on 7 June 1917 (artillery shell head). Burial place unknow. (information from the Kriegsstammrollen) Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_11 Posted 11 November , 2017 Author Share Posted 11 November , 2017 The disc was among the effects of an NZ Soldier. Possibly he picked it up on the battlefield; the family doesn't know. Happy to post a picture of both sides of the disc, but I may need some help. Regards, Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 11 November , 2017 Share Posted 11 November , 2017 What help do you need on posting a photograph? Be nice to know also which regiment the NZ soldier was in to tie in in with the ID - i.e., if his regiment in the same area as the (presumably) dead Bavarian, or if no connection and he picked it up later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_11 Posted 12 November , 2017 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2017 If it is the Wilhelm Holler killed in Jun 17, my man was with the NZ Pioneer Battalion, prob B Coy, during the Messines offensive. The coy was engaged in constructing and operating a train/tram system between a rail-head and the front line. I have attached two jpegs of the disc. Regards, Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 12 November , 2017 Share Posted 12 November , 2017 The 2nd and 3rd NZ Rifle Brigades attacked on 7/6/17. I am researching a man in the 3rd killed that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 12 November , 2017 Share Posted 12 November , 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Terry_11 said: If it is the Wilhelm Holler killed in Jun 17, my man was with the NZ Pioneer Battalion, prob B Coy, during the Messines offensive. The coy was engaged in constructing and operating a train/tram system between a rail-head and the front line. I have attached two jpegs of the disc. Regards, Terry Photographs don't enlarge very well, but it looks to me to be a 1915/1916 type. On the lower photograph you can see his date of birth - (?) 18 01 1895, and on the bottom his initial unit - 1 Ersatz Bataillon Kgl. Bayer. 18. Infanterie-Regiment Prinz Ludwig Ferdinand, 1 Kompagnie. But I can't make out his home address... The Verlustenlisten has one Wilhelm Holler in the Bavarian 18 I.R. - Holler Wilhelm Ungstein, Pfalz Bayern 316 18. Infanterie-Regiment 1261 1916-11-14 16256 - Unteroffizier, "Schwer verwundet" - badly wounded 14 11 1916 and two others only from Bavaria - Holler Wilhelm Ungstein, Pfalz Bayern 359 1636 1917-09-21 20762 - Unteroffizier, "Gefallen" - died 21 09 1917 Holler Wilhelm Deggendorf, Niederb. Bayern 277 7. Feldartillerie-Regiment 1038 1916-07-07 13267 So, the first and second probably your man - he certainly won't be the last one from 7 FAR! So death reported 21 09 1917. Has no known grave as AOK4 post 3 above. Edited 12 November , 2017 by trajan Clarify dod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_11 Posted 12 November , 2017 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2017 Trajan, The line under the DOB, 16 Jan 93, is "Ungstein PF". Regards, Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 12 November , 2017 Share Posted 12 November , 2017 Well, that ticks the boxes then! Now, this being the lower half, collected before burial, I wonder how it came to be in the hands of a NZ soldier? We'll never know, sadly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 12 November , 2017 Share Posted 12 November , 2017 He was probably buried by them in some anonymous grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_11 Posted 13 November , 2017 Author Share Posted 13 November , 2017 Thanks to all for the above. Mark, I presume you mean the 2nd and 3rd Bns, NZRB. The personnel files are available through Archway here in NZ. I also have a copy of the NZRB unit history. If I can help get back to me. Regards, Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_11 Posted 15 November , 2017 Author Share Posted 15 November , 2017 One last question. What does the line A. 2. 65 under the line Ungstein. PF. mean? Regards, Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 15 November , 2017 Share Posted 15 November , 2017 Can't help there, I'm afraid - maybe Jan (AOK)? There is, by the way, although I have never seen a copy, a book on these: Meinlschmidt, Peter, Die Deutschen Erkennungsmarken des 1. Weltkriegs (1992); also in French - Les plaques d'identité allemandes de la 1ère guerre mondiale histoire évolutive de la mobilisation et de l'agrandissement de l'armée allemande en 1914-18 (1992); and in English - German WW1 Identity Tags/Disks (1993). Privately published so no ISBN... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 15 November , 2017 Share Posted 15 November , 2017 It is a number from the time he was in the Ersatz-Unit (training unit in Germany) after he was wounded at the Somme in 1916. Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_11 Posted 18 November , 2017 Author Share Posted 18 November , 2017 Once again thank you. Regards, Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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