Any information about a battle for Fogaras?

[Morar Andrei]

Reading a WW1 article recently, I found a mention about a battle that took place on 2nd of October 1916 on the outsides of Fogaras: "if on October 2nd the allied troops (German and Austro-Hungarian) were dismissed in front of Fogaras, the next day the city was evacuated by the Romanians and surrendered, the Romanian troops retreating to Brasov on fortified positions at the foot of the Perșani Mountains". On the local museum, there's a nice photo dated 3rd of October same year, with the Austro-Hungarian and German soldiers marching on the town square. Unfortunately, I haven't found any other refference to this battle. Can I get some help please?

Edited 3 November , 2017 by Morar Andrei

[Morar Andrei]

Is there any other information or refferences to this battle I'm talking about?

[Morar Andrei]

Here is a possible image, after the battle, with a military convoy crossing the town.

[Morar Andrei]

Where can I find about that battle?

[James A Pratt III]

Austria-Hungary's Last War 1914-1918 the Austrian Official history is online in both German and English.

[Morar Andrei]

Thank you very much for link! I found some very interested stuff. Here are some examples:

 

"During 2 October the units of 2nd Romanian Army received the 
order to retreat behind the Olt and the Gr. Homorodbach, where they would block the roads through the passes into the Burzenland. The 3 and 6 ID therefore didn't pursue their opponents, but in the evening of the 2nd were already drawing back toward Scharisch. Crainicianu intended to create defensive positions with half of 4 ID at Sinca Vch. and Persiani. 3 ID would guard the road to the Bogat Pass at Heviz (Hoghiz) and the road and railway to Agostonfalva east of Katzendorf (Cața). Between the two divisions, two battalions would deploy east of Comana d.j. on the western slope of the Geisterwald. The second brigade of 4 ID would cover the Army's withdrawal north of Fogaras, while 2 Calarasi Bde (Brigade) did the same in the plains farther south. 6 ID was placed in the Army's reserve; one brigade was sent to Vledeny (Vlădeni) and the other to Al. Rakos (Racoș). 2 CD was instructed to maintain the connection with the North Army from Petek.272. The withdrawal was supposed to be finished that night, but was delayed by the wretched state of the roads. Thus on 3 October the 3 ID just got to Comana d.j. and 6 ID to the Venetia d.j. - Sarkany (Șercaia) area. Only the brigade of 4 ID reached their goal, the narrow point in the valley by Sinca Vch. and Persiani (Perșani). 2 Calarasi Bde established a line of skirmishers farther west. The rear-guard brigade of 4 ID at Fogaras was pushed back in the afternoon of the 3rd by the leading troops of 187 ID, and spent 
the night south of Mundra (Mândra). On the allies' side the 51 Honved ID (Infantry Division) and 76 Res ID reached the area southwest of Fogaras without seeing action, and encamped. The Cavalry Corps entered Scharisch. Detachments from 89 and 71 ID occupied the heights which they had lost the day before."

("Austria-Hungary's las war 1914-1918", p.304-305)

 

*Note: I also introduces some of the Romanian toponymes for towns or villages

Edited 20 January , 2018 by Morar Andrei

[Morar Andrei]

That book was very useful. Thank you!

[Paul Hederer]

Hi Andrei,

 

I haven't been active here at GWF for some time, but I'm starting to pop in again. I've seen your posts asking about and giving information on the Romanian campaign. Do you by chance speak Romanian? If so, I can recommend a lot of very good sources on the campaign and Romania's war effort. 

 

Paul 

[Morar Andrei]

7 hours ago, Paul Hederer said:

Hi Andrei,

 

I haven't been active here at GWF for some time, but I'm starting to pop in again. I've seen your posts asking about and giving information on the Romanian campaign. Do you by chance speak Romanian? If so, I can recommend a lot of very good sources on the campaign and Romania's war effort. 

 

Paul 

Yes, I am Romanian. That would be wonderful to find any source about the story of our country's role in the Great War.

[Paul Hederer]

"Yes, I am Romanian. That would be wonderful to find any source about the story of our country's role in the Great War."

 

Hi Andrei,

 

Not sure where you're currently located, but if you have access to the Romanian OH of the war, "România în razboiul mondial 1916-1919," that's a great source. Volumes can often be purchased online for decent prices also. 

 

"Armata Romana In Razbioul  Mondial 1916- 1918," 3 volumes, by  G. A. Dabija, is also a good source, and again can be found at good prices if you can't access it through a library. 

 

"Din războiul României în lumina adevărului," written in 1921 is a personal account of the war by Colonel Alexandru I. Lupaşcu-Stejar.

 

The Biblioteca Digitală a Bucureştilor, link http://www.digibuc.ro/, has some books and sources online you can download and read on the war. 

 

Paul 

[Morar Andrei]

Thank you for suggestions!

I used some information from Constantin Kiritescu's book on my WW1 related videos, and I still read it for enjoyment.

[Paul Hederer]

On 3/29/2018 at 16:03, Morar Andrei said:

Thank you for suggestions!

I used some information from Constantin Kiritescu's book on my WW1 related videos, and I still read it for enjoyment.

 

 You're welcome Andrei. The Romanian Official History is excellent. It contains a lot of documentation (original orders, etc) from the German and Austro-Hungarian Armies. On the German side it contains many documents that were destroyed in WWII, so it's a great source. The maps are excellent also, but I've not seen a copy of the history with the maps included. 

 

Paul 

[Morar Andrei]

I found images related to the aftermath of the German occupation of Fogaras. Big credits to the private collection of Constantin Băjenaru, historian at the local museum.