Coldstreamer Posted 27 October , 2017 Share Posted 27 October , 2017 (edited) Hello could someone please look in Maton / London Gazette / The Times for Thomas Patrick Cosgrove - Rifle Brigade late Coldstream Guards Ive searched the last two but cant see him there - thought might have been a B list as he served at home for most of the war. The source for the info is a newspaper article which says twice mentioned. cheers Ian Edited 17 January , 2019 by Coldstreamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little bob Posted 27 October , 2017 Share Posted 27 October , 2017 (edited) London Gazette issue 28894 page 7100 8th September 1914. The undermentioned to be Quartermasters with the honorary rank of Lieutenant .Dated 9th September 1914 Unable to find anything else in the Gazette. Bob Edited 27 October , 2017 by little bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 28 October , 2017 Share Posted 28 October , 2017 Also ... LG Issue 30301, 21 Sep 1917, p.9856 The undermentioned temp. Qrmrs. and Hon. Lts. to be Hon. Capts. :-Infantry 9th Sept. 1917 .. T.P Cosgrove LG Issue 31377, 30 May 1919, p.6977 [p.6978]CENTRAL CHANCERY OF THE ORDERS OF KNIGHTHOODSt. James's Palace, S.W., 3rd June, 1919 The KING has been graciously pleased, on the occasion of His Majesty's Birthday, to give orders for the following promotions in, and appointments to, the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, for valuable services rendered in connection with the War:- .. [p.6995]To be Members of the Military Division of the Most Excellent Order :- .. [p.6997].. Cosgrove, Qr.Mr. & Capt. Thomas Patrick, Spec. List. These two and Bob's were all I could find. HTH Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 29 October , 2017 Author Share Posted 29 October , 2017 thanks - ive looked in the B list and cant see him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 30 October , 2017 Share Posted 30 October , 2017 Must admit I only searched 1914 to 1919 inclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 30 October , 2017 Share Posted 30 October , 2017 Dear MBrockway, Is there a B List for 1920? I am missing a Mention for Capt E. P. M. Durand, IA and a Political... Kindest regards, Kim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 30 October , 2017 Share Posted 30 October , 2017 Gone out to the end of 1921 now and only one further reference found ... LG Issue 32541 6 December 1921 Supplement, p.9990 GENERAL LIST Infantry - The undermentioned temp. Qrmrs. relinquish their commissions on completion of service and retain their rank :- 9th Sept. 1917 .. T.P Cosgrove, M.B.E. 1st Sept. 1921 The only MiD in the LG 1920-1921 I have found is to a Cosgrove, 11536, Sjt. T., 6th Bn., South Lancashire Regiment, in LG Issue 31728, 9 January 1920 Supplement p. 515. Clearly not your man, but a candidate to keep in the frame for a possible confusion. I didn't monitor possible confusions when I did my original 1914-1919 search the other day, so 11536 Cosgrove might have had a second MiD earlier. I've only been searching the London Gazette. I don't have access to Michael Maton's books. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 30 October , 2017 Share Posted 30 October , 2017 Been checking The Times for you also. His MBE in the June 1919 Birthday Honours List did not show up using the Search tool. I had to find it manually by searching longhand the issues around the start of June and he is definitely listed on Thursday, Jun 05, 1919; pg. 19. With no confidence that The Times On-Line's search tool is going to find names buried in the long MID etc. lists, I did not pursue this further: way too vast a search to do manually! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 30 October , 2017 Share Posted 30 October , 2017 11 hours ago, Kimberley John Lindsay said: Dear MBrockway, Is there a B List for 1920? I am missing a Mention for Capt E. P. M. Durand, IA and a Political... Kindest regards, Kim. Don't know about B List. No sign of Capt. E.P.M. Durrand, IA, in the London Gazette 1920-1921. Could you bracket a smaller time window before I go to the effort of searching 1914-1919? Cheers, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBrook Posted 30 October , 2017 Share Posted 30 October , 2017 Capt. Sir Edward Percy Marion Durand does not feature in Michael Maton's book "Honour those mentioned in The Great War - mentions in despatches 1914 - 1922", the contents of which are taken from the London Gazette notifications. No mention of "emblems" on his medal index card, so any mention was not gazetted. His obituary published in The Times of Saturday 5 March 1955 may be of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 30 October , 2017 Author Share Posted 30 October , 2017 Thanks for looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 1 November , 2017 Author Share Posted 1 November , 2017 Seems gazette and times is negative. Can someone check maton please so I can put this to bed . Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 1 November , 2017 Share Posted 1 November , 2017 3 hours ago, Coldstreamer said: Seems gazette and times is negative. Can someone check maton please so I can put this to bed . Cheers It could be in The Times Ian - it was just too big a job to search all the MiD's manually and that would be the only sure way to confirm, as the site's search engine did not even locate his MBE. I was able to find that manually because I knew from the London Gazette that it was in the 1919 Birthday Honours, so I only had to eyeball through a week's worth of copies. As you say though, a look-up in Maton's books would be the fastest route to a result. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 1 November , 2017 Author Share Posted 1 November , 2017 Times search isn't great. Don't know if maton includea b list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 11 November , 2017 Share Posted 11 November , 2017 Dear HarryBrook, Many thanks for finding the Times obituary for Sir E. Durand, Bart. The 'bad accident' in 1922 was new to me. The business of the MiD oakleaf on his medal group is vexing, inasmuch as it was clearly not gazetted: notwithstanding his having held a 1918 Political job of the type, likely to attract such an award. Thanks for looking! Kindest regards, Kim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 11 November , 2017 Share Posted 11 November , 2017 The main Durand topic is here ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 17 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 17 January , 2019 hello bumping his up again as would like to bottom it out one way or another could some pls check Matons for the MID cheers Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 17 January , 2019 Admin Share Posted 17 January , 2019 Ian I suspect you have already seen Thomas's MIC which records "no record of any mention"? http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D1955560 Regards David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 17 January , 2019 Share Posted 17 January , 2019 1 hour ago, DavidOwen said: Ian I suspect you have already seen Thomas's MIC which records "no record of any mention"? http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D1955560 Regards David MS3 refers to the Military Secretary's Office, Army Medal Office (Room 3) (Williamson Medal Collectors Companion, p.447) The reverse of his MIC also has this ... Form EF/9 was the form sent by the Medal Office to an officer claiming medals, which the officer completed with his details of service etc. The officer would then send that to his regimental Record Office, where it would be checked and then returned to the Medal Office.. If the officer's claim included an MID emblem, this was often (but not always) mentioned here. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 19 January , 2019 Author Share Posted 19 January , 2019 Thanks, looking like a negative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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