davidbohl Posted 23 October , 2017 Share Posted 23 October , 2017 Could anybody put some christian names to the attached Ancestry army list attached. The rugby club minutes attached list him as 'fallen in action' but later one of them returned quote 'broken in health' and had subsequently died. Can't find him on CWGC or local death entries, I've tried for years to identify this person. The initials are correct from the newspaper in 1914. Kind Regards. Dave Bohl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 23 October , 2017 Share Posted 23 October , 2017 (edited) J B Humphry is shown on the list of members fallen as a private the army list names officers ? EDIT The J B Humphrey you have highlighted above refers to the Army List of 1945 so not likely to be your man He could have cause have been taken as a prisoner of war assumed to have fallen ? Ray Edited 23 October , 2017 by RaySearching additional info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 23 October , 2017 Author Share Posted 23 October , 2017 Well that discounts that record, thanks, I'm clutching at straws at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little bob Posted 23 October , 2017 Share Posted 23 October , 2017 8379 John Bowser Humphrey Machine Gun Corps - Darlington. G 20774 James Bertie Humphrey Middlesex Regiment later M/410929 Royal Army Service Corps.-- Barnet. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 23 October , 2017 Share Posted 23 October , 2017 Quote Can't find him on CWGC or local death entries, I've tried for years to identify this person. Anything in the effects records ? Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTracer44 Posted 23 October , 2017 Share Posted 23 October , 2017 Have you considered John Boyd Humphrey born Mar qtr 1898, West Derby, the only J B on FreeBMD 1880 to 1900 in the Liverpool area, of course there could have been others where the second name wasn't included, but right time frame. Den Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 23 October , 2017 Share Posted 23 October , 2017 Den Not our man I'm afraid The O P is seeking a soldier who died shortly after the war Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 23 October , 2017 Share Posted 23 October , 2017 16 minutes ago, TTracer44 said: Have you considered John Boyd Humphrey born Mar qtr 1898, West Derby, the only J B on FreeBMD 1880 to 1900 in the Liverpool area, of course there could have been others where the second name wasn't included, but right time frame. Den To dispell another J B Humphrey from West Derby, John's brother was James Buller Humphrey born 1900 served in the Navy and RAF, and lived to a ripe old age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 23 October , 2017 Share Posted 23 October , 2017 Came across this Humphrey who served in the camel corps I think we can also discount this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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corisande Posted 24 October , 2017 Share Posted 24 October , 2017 If you know who all the others were on your list in the OP, then what regiments did they serve in? That might give a clue if they were mainly one regiment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 24 October , 2017 Share Posted 24 October , 2017 To Assist Davids Website Humphrey Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 24 October , 2017 Author Share Posted 24 October , 2017 They served all over the place see http://home.btconnect.com/seftonrufc/SeftonWarDead.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTracer44 Posted 24 October , 2017 Share Posted 24 October , 2017 11 hours ago, RaySearching said: Den Not our man I'm afraid The O P is seeking a soldier who died shortly after the war Ray Thanks Ray, it does pay to take in fully what the OP is asking for, as my old teachers would have said Must do better next time! Den Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 24 October , 2017 Share Posted 24 October , 2017 Hi, On his website, Dave appears to attribute a Fred Appleby writing in 1924: As a long shot, I wonder if 301262 Joseph Humphreys (Manchester Regiment) might be a contender for the 8th man? In Soldiers' Effects he appears to have been 'discharged insane' on 30th August 1920. The Effects record has him recorded as J Humphries, but the medal rolls have him as Joseph Humphreys. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 24 October , 2017 Share Posted 24 October , 2017 19 hours ago, davidbohl said: Could anybody put some christian names to the attached Ancestry army list attached. The rugby club minutes attached list him as 'fallen in action' but later one of them returned quote 'broken in health' and had subsequently died. Can't find him on CWGC or local death entries, I've tried for years to identify this person. The initials are correct from the newspaper in 1914. Kind Regards. Dave Bohl David what is the date of the Minutes? Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 24 October , 2017 Share Posted 24 October , 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, clk said: Hi, On his website, Dave appears to attribute a Fred Appleby writing in 1924: As a long shot, I wonder if 301262 Joseph Humphreys (Manchester Regiment) might be a contender for the 8th man? In Soldiers' Effects he appears to have been 'discharged insane' on 30th August 1920. The Effects record has him recorded as J Humphries, but the medal rolls have him as Joseph Humphreys. Regards Chris Thought I had seen that number somewhere...appears he was a POW Chris. But has him as Humphries, however the actual records have as Humphreys. Severely wounded GSW leg, and dealt with through the Preston Records Office. from Stockport, but birth registration (and census of 1911) doesn't appear to show a middle name. https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/File/Details/2516227/3/2/ Andy Edited 24 October , 2017 by HolymoleyRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 24 October , 2017 Share Posted 24 October , 2017 David, another question how sure are we that the middle name is correct? Just because the paper has it as JB doesn't mean it is right? Regards Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 24 October , 2017 Author Share Posted 24 October , 2017 Thanks for all the interest, as you can see it's a good tester. The date of the minutes reporting the fallen was 1st April 1919. Being a schoolmaster, Applebee was meticulous in his grammar and spelling, here is J.B.H joining the club in Sept 1913, perhaps he'd just turned 18 and eligible to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 24 October , 2017 Share Posted 24 October , 2017 (edited) His proposer appears to be 61885 Private Gwilym Madoc Jones 1/6th The Kings Liverpool Regiment born 1895 in West Derby. Maybe we can find a link between the two men....or not! Edited 24 October , 2017 by HolymoleyRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 24 October , 2017 Author Share Posted 24 October , 2017 Both Gwilym and brother Trevor (R.Welch Fus) played rugby and were bank apprentices (1911), perhaps they coerced JBH into playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRC Posted 24 October , 2017 Share Posted 24 October , 2017 There appears to be three Medal Index Cards held for Gwilym Madoc Jones at the National Archive, one of which records him as 2155 61885. I suspect that's two separate service numbers, so maybe something on the Service Medal Roll to indicate which battalion 2155 relates to. http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D3143901 A quick run through the MiCs for Liverpool 215* and 6188* doesn't bring up any Humphrey \ Humphreys \ Humphries, but there are gaps, plus the 215* option brings up between three or four MiC's for each number in most instances, so could have been units that provided drafts to battalion seeing active service. If that's the case the link to J B Humphrey, even if they enlisted at the same time. could be lost. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 24 October , 2017 Author Share Posted 24 October , 2017 Attached medal card for Gwilym - (L'pool Regt 23rd Works) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 24 October , 2017 Share Posted 24 October , 2017 To recap then: 1) There is no J.B. Humphrey listed by the CWGC. 2) there is no MIC for J.B. Humphrey 3) Between March 1878 and December 1900, there are 6 J. B. Humphrey births listed in England & Wales: John Benjamin, Brackley 1878 John Bertie C., Medway, 1886 John Brown, Sunderland , 1894 John Boyd, W. Derby, 1898 John Bowser, Darlington, 1899 James Buller, W.Derby 1900 On the basis he would be at least 16 in 1913, we could exclude the last 3. That leaves : John Benjamin, Brackley 1878 John Bertie C., Medway, 1886 John Brown, Sunderland , 1894 none of which look promising. And I don't suppose there's a contemporary record of his death before 1919? Can we be sure he died? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 24 October , 2017 Author Share Posted 24 October , 2017 I've had this guy in the back of my mind but can't equate 'Fogden' to a middle name of 'B'. He was born 1896 in Liverpool so ties in nicely with him starting to play in 1913. His mother was Sarah Humphrey (nee Warren) perhaps he was called Bunny Humphrey, James Fogden Cemetery: Sandpits British Cemetery Fouquereuil Country: France Area: Pas De Calais Rank: Private Official Number: 8802 Unit: 4th Bn. Royal Fusiliers. Force: Army Nationality: British Details: Died of wounds 2nd August 1918. Age 22. Son of James Fogden Humphrey and Sarah Humphrey of 5 Sefton Grove Lark Lane Liverpool. III. G. 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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