dagraves79 Posted 20 September , 2017 Share Posted 20 September , 2017 This is a long shot, I know...But, when Wardown House, Luton, was in use as a WW1 Red Cross (and prior to that RAMC) hospital...some of the occupants scratched their names into the lead on the roof. Here are four names as a starter for 10. If anybody can help, I thank you in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aradgick Posted 20 September , 2017 Share Posted 20 September , 2017 I've pinned down the first one as Frederick J Burt, service number T-36504 Wain and Wildgoose are one of three men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 20 September , 2017 Share Posted 20 September , 2017 This may be a Wildgoose chase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 20 September , 2017 Share Posted 20 September , 2017 I'm currently bereft of subscriptions, but there's a Cyril Wain, born c1896, from 40 Bakman (Bateman?) Street, Derby showing up as NMFA on Findmypast. He looks like a good suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 20 September , 2017 Share Posted 20 September , 2017 (edited) Wildgoose is potentially Private Harry Wildgoose MM #2647, then 1917 TF #417400 which is a North Midland Field Ambulance TF Number originally 1/1st but 2/1st & 3/1st would all have been the same Div. Andy Edited 20 September , 2017 by HolymoleyRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 20 September , 2017 Share Posted 20 September , 2017 So my Cyril (417241) would fit nicely, Mr Moley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 20 September , 2017 Share Posted 20 September , 2017 1 hour ago, IPT said: So my Cyril (417241) would fit nicely, Mr Moley? Indeed he seems to be 2/1st from the etching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagraves79 Posted 1 October , 2017 Author Share Posted 1 October , 2017 Brilliant, thanks all for contributing. Very much appreciated. Love the 'Wildegoose chase" bit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 1 October , 2017 Share Posted 1 October , 2017 (edited) I believe Wildgoose to be 13978 Edward Wildgoose, RFC, from Derby. His RFC papers show that he enlisted 23/11/1915, aged 21, and that he was previously 3/1 NMFA between 19/2/13 and 23/11/15. Also, Cyril Wain's service papers confirm that he was 2/1 NMFA. Edited 1 October , 2017 by IPT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 1 October , 2017 Share Posted 1 October , 2017 Any offers on the second one yet? F. Porter/Parker maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin spof Posted 1 October , 2017 Admin Share Posted 1 October , 2017 On 21/09/2017 at 04:12, aradgick said: I've pinned down the first one as Frederick J Burt, service number T-36504 It is interesting to see he wrote RASC and not ASC. As far as I know the ASC didn't get the Royal title until after the war in recognition of their service so if you can find out when it got the name change, you can date the graffiti to a rough time period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 2 October , 2017 Share Posted 2 October , 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 2 October , 2017 Share Posted 2 October , 2017 On 02/10/2017 at 06:37, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: Any offers on the second one yet? F. Porter/Parker maybe I have been trying allsorts as it looks like a y at the end. Found a #9205 Sgt FL Pomery RAMC but not convinced. Not sure if inverted colour makes a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 2 October , 2017 Share Posted 2 October , 2017 No obvious service records but have found this man. Frederick Portery (correct spelling seems to be Portrey) from Durham born 1880/1....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 2 October , 2017 Share Posted 2 October , 2017 I've got 32370 Frederick Arthur Polkey, RAMC, from Derby? Regarding the date, it looks like Burt got there a few years later, as we know that Wildgoose was there before November 1915. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 2 October , 2017 Share Posted 2 October , 2017 On 20/09/2017 at 20:04, HolymoleyRE said: Wildgoose is potentially Private Harry Wildgoose MM #2647, then 1917 TF #417400 which is a North Midland Field Ambulance TF Number originally 1/1st but 2/1st & 3/1st would all have been the same Div. Andy Would it not be the 1/2nd and 1/3rd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 2 October , 2017 Share Posted 2 October , 2017 On 03/10/2017 at 02:06, Steven Broomfield said: Would it not be the 1/2nd and 1/3rd? Twas going off how Wildgoose wrote it? And both seem perfectly acceptable in the WDs but is Div dependent....which confuses matters (and me).😕 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 2 October , 2017 Share Posted 2 October , 2017 The 59th Division was the 2nd Line of the 46th, so that makes sense. However, I have no idea what might have happened to any 3rd Line units which might have been formed from the North Midland Division. If I remember 9and can be bothered) I can look tomorrow unless someone else gets to Orders of Battle first! Of course, it is possible old Wildgoose got it the wrong way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 2 October , 2017 Share Posted 2 October , 2017 On 01/10/2017 at 20:35, IPT said: I believe Wildgoose to be 13978 Edward Wildgoose, RFC, from Derby. His RFC papers show that he enlisted 23/11/1915, aged 21, and that he was previously 3/1 NMFA between 19/2/13 and 23/11/15. 2 hours ago, Steven Broomfield said: Of course, it is possible old Wildgoose got it the wrong way round. Sometimes I fear that Mr B ignores my efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 3 October , 2017 Share Posted 3 October , 2017 12 hours ago, IPT said: Sometimes I fear that Mr B ignores my efforts. Doesn't everyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 3 October , 2017 Share Posted 3 October , 2017 Steven Becke's Orders of Battle series generally does not cover third-line TF units. The working assumption is that they were based at the HQ of the pre-war TF unit: in this case 91 Siddalls Road, Derby. Incidentally this was also the HQ of the Derbyshire Yeomanry. On 10/2/2017 at 07:24, HolymoleyRE said: 28 November 1918. But, of course, that pre-dates the cutting of the CWGC headstones. The same applies to the title of Guardsman for Foot Guards regiments, which also post-dates the Armistice but is normally used on headstones. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagraves79 Posted 2 November , 2017 Author Share Posted 2 November , 2017 Again, just checked in again (been busy busy with work) and have seen the great work here. My personal thanks to you all for the time spent digging for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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