alantwo Posted 1 September , 2017 Share Posted 1 September , 2017 Whilst researching one of the Gallipoli officers of 26th Battery, 17th Brigade RFA, Captain Denis DALY, the Medal Index Card refers to 'All decorations and medals forfeited by command of The King, February, 1936, P/3758/7' in bright red ink. Daly had been awarded an MC, DSO, as well as the trio and a medal in 1935 which I can't read on the MIC. He had been Mentioned in Despatches twice and later achieved the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. Can anyone throw any light on why the medals were forfeited? My thanks in advance for any contributions. Regards Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 1 September , 2017 Share Posted 1 September , 2017 He was court martialled on 22 July 35, when he was commanding 18th Field Brigade, RA, for offences against men in his employ. The insinuation at the court martial was that men had attended his home and incidents had occurred there but incidents had being occurring since being in India in 1926. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 1 September , 2017 Share Posted 1 September , 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 1 September , 2017 Share Posted 1 September , 2017 (edited) He was sentenced to 5 years penal servitude for the offences - fairly clear as to what they were ! He was actually sentenced to 7 years, but 2 years were remitted. The sentence was served in a civil prison Edited 1 September , 2017 by corisande Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonraker Posted 1 September , 2017 Share Posted 1 September , 2017 Found guilty of 10 of 12 charges. Sentenced to be cashiered and to seven years' penal servitude, two years being remitted with no reason given. His defence counsel claimed that the case had begun "out of blackmail and revenge". Had been appointed to the Royal Artillery as second lieutenant in 1902, promoted lieutenant in 1905 and captain shortly after the outbreak of the Great War. Moonraker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tullybrone Posted 1 September , 2017 Share Posted 1 September , 2017 Hi, Having looked at MIC the 1935 Medal mentioned by OP is King George V Silver Jubilee Medal. Steve Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantwo Posted 2 September , 2017 Author Share Posted 2 September , 2017 My thanks to everyone who took the time to reply, quite a tale and unexpected. I could be wrong but I think Oscar Wilde received a similar sentence. Thanks again. Regards Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardenerbill Posted 2 September , 2017 Share Posted 2 September , 2017 A candidate for a posthumous pardon perhaps and reinstatement of awards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 2 September , 2017 Share Posted 2 September , 2017 I would doubt it. He appears to have abused his position of authority. It seems, to me, to be a very different case to say Turing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardenerbill Posted 2 September , 2017 Share Posted 2 September , 2017 Agreed the fact that money was involved as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill24chev Posted 2 September , 2017 Share Posted 2 September , 2017 17 hours ago, corisande said: I had a bit of a Freudian moment when I mis-read the name of the Court Martial President Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 21 August , 2019 Share Posted 21 August , 2019 On 01/09/2017 at 18:23, corisande said: He was sentenced to 5 years penal servitude for the offences - fairly clear as to what they were ! He was actually sentenced to 7 years, but 2 years were remitted. The sentence was served in a civil prison Do you know which prison? When was he released? When did he die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 21 August , 2019 Share Posted 21 August , 2019 13 minutes ago, ChrisGillibrand said: Do you know which prison? When was he released? When did he die? Welcome to the forum What is your connection to Col Daly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 27 August , 2019 Share Posted 27 August , 2019 On 21/08/2019 at 14:19, corisande said: Welcome to the forum What is your connection to Col Daly? I am doing some writing on the von Donops. Stanley von Donop was his uncle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 27 August , 2019 Share Posted 27 August , 2019 He got 7 years Hard Labour, reduced to 5 years Hard Labour, in a civilian prison The King confirmed the removal of DSO and MC about 6 months after the court martial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 27 August , 2019 Share Posted 27 August , 2019 I suspect that this is him in 1939 Register. - click DOB is given here as 23 Aug 1883 and Army List had 19 Aug 1883. The register often strays by a few days In which case he was out of prison by 1939 There is a Surrey death in 1954 that would fit with age and place, but I have no idea if that is him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBrook Posted 27 August , 2019 Share Posted 27 August , 2019 Corisande, I concur with your suggestion on the 1939 register. Denis Daly was recorded in the 1911 census as serving with 72 (Heavy) Battery, R.G.A. in India although it was noted that he was Absent in England" (presumably on leave). His rank was given as Lieutenant, age given as 27, single, and born Hull. The death in Surrey in 1954 matches the 1939 register address. Probate 1954 - DALY, Denis of Common Mead, Chiddingfold, Surrey died 22 July 1954 at Mount Alverina, Godalming, Surrey. Probate London 16 October to Denis Daly Atkinson, farmer. Effects £51,498 9s. Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedley Malloch Posted 27 August , 2019 Share Posted 27 August , 2019 2 hours ago, HarryBrook said: Denis Daly was recorded in the 1911 census as serving with 72 (Heavy) Battery, R.G.A. in India although it was noted that he was Absent in England" (presumably on leave). His rank was given as Lieutenant, age given as 27, single, and born Hull. Ah, yes - the Indian Army. Spike Milligan said that the Goons' character, Major Denis Bloodnock, was based on a certain type of British army officer who was transferred to the Indian army for indiscretions involving - how can I put it? -sexual behaviour deemed to be non-standard. Spike did give chapter and verse which I cannot repeat here due to the family nature of the GWF. I wonder if this Denis had form? I cannot see why Daly was stripped of his medals. If he was a good soldier, then he deserved them for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 27 August , 2019 Share Posted 27 August , 2019 2 minutes ago, Hedley Malloch said: I cannot see why Daly was stripped of his medals. If he was a good soldier, then he deserved them for that. It is not just what he did, but that he was in a position of authority as the men's CO It was obviously discussed over a long time by the establishment, as they took nearly 6 months to confirm the loss of medals By the late 1930s fewer men were losing their medals as a result of convictions, but it must have been decided in Daly's case that his abuse of power could not go unpunished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedley Malloch Posted 27 August , 2019 Share Posted 27 August , 2019 Punish him by all means, but don’t remove his medals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 27 August , 2019 Share Posted 27 August , 2019 George V believed that "even were a VC to be sentenced to be hanged for murder, he should be allowed to wear the VC on the scaffold". However, it appears that his wishes were not acted upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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