claymore123 Posted 15 August , 2017 Share Posted 15 August , 2017 I am looking for any assistance on the above person. I have his GV LS&GC medal which is named "RSM C. H. Firth - Attd AFI". I have checked his MIC, see attached, which shows him in various regiments including the Dorset Regiment and Cameron Highlanders and as being attached to the 3rd E.I.R. Regt and his Indian MIC which shows him as borne supernumerary to the 1st Cameron Highlanders. I can find no more on FMP or Ancestry and I was wondering if anyone can add any additional details to him particulalry his full name? I have found a RSM C.H.Firth commissioned as a Lt & QM in the LG 9.7.41 and wonder if it is the same man? Additionally his MIC mentions a claim for the Delhi Durbar medal and I wonder if he was entitled? Thanks Iain Firth.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 15 August , 2017 Share Posted 15 August , 2017 Iain You omitted this bit of his LSGC which may be helpful to those tracing him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf mcm Posted 15 August , 2017 Share Posted 15 August , 2017 Ian, The 1911 Census shows Charles in India as a Private in the 2nd Cameron Highlanders. It says he was aged 23, and born in Barkston, Yorkshire. http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=bmY2920&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&db=1911England&gss=angs-d&new=1&MS_AdvCB=1&gsln=firth&gsln_x=1&gskw=military&gskw_x=1&_83004003-n_xcl=f&MSAV=2&uidh=9y4&rank=1&pcat=CEN_1910&fh=27&h=32805033&recoff=&ml_rpos=28 Regards, Alf McM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf mcm Posted 15 August , 2017 Share Posted 15 August , 2017 Ian, The 1939 Register has a Charles H Firth, who may be your man. The date of birth looks right, and a job as a Commissionaire would suit a retired Sergeant Major. http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=TNA%2FR39%2F0807%2F0807E%2F002%2F38 Regards, Alf McM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenmorrison Posted 16 August , 2017 Share Posted 16 August , 2017 (edited) "The 1911 Census shows Charles in India as a Private in the 2nd Cameron Highlanders. It says he was aged 23, and born in Barkston, Yorkshire." Barkston was in Tadcaster Registration District and in the March Quarter of 1888 a Charles Henry B. Firth was born there. Ken A family history on Ancestry has him born 15 December 1887 to James Bottomley Firth and Elizabeth (Flint) Firth. Edited 16 August , 2017 by kenmorrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf mcm Posted 16 August , 2017 Share Posted 16 August , 2017 His Baptism record from Tadcaster Methodist Chapel is available on Ancestry here;- https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/2268/32356_259822-00366?pid=361349&backurl=http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DbmY2955%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26gss%3Dangs-c%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26MS_AdvCB%3D1%26gsfn%3Dcharles%20henry%26gsfn_x%3D1%26gsln%3Dfirth%26gsln_x%3D1%26msbdy%3D1887%26msbdy_x%3D1%26msbdp%3D1%26MSAV%3D2%26uidh%3D9y4%26pcat%3DBMD_BIRTH%26h%3D361349%26recoff%3D6%207%208%2037%2049%26dbid%3D2268%26indiv%3D1%26ml_rpos%3D6&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=bmY2955&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true Oddly, he is recorded as 'Charles Henry Firth', no 'B'. Date of birth agrees with that shown in 1939 Register. Regards, Alf McM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 16 August , 2017 Share Posted 16 August , 2017 Iain, As someone born pre 1900 but continuing to serve post-war, predicted discharge 1930, I would have expected to find him on the MoD retained Service files listing (Index on Ancestry, Discharges 1920-39) but no sign. If he was Indian Army (AFI) postwar then maybe his file went there and like all those men the records are lost? Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 16 August , 2017 Share Posted 16 August , 2017 Hi, The MoD would appear to have his file. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 16 August , 2017 Share Posted 16 August , 2017 Well done Chris. What does this say about Ancestry indexing .........? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 16 August , 2017 Share Posted 16 August , 2017 (edited) To answer my own question, here it is, but search criteria changed to Surname and date of birth. (Mental note for future searches!!) They've put the second initial of these men as part of the first name! But I don't know how to tell Ancestry! Edited 16 August , 2017 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claymore123 Posted 16 August , 2017 Author Share Posted 16 August , 2017 Thanks to everyone for your support. I must admit I was trying to follow only direct links to "C.H.Firth" but it does look like he appears as C, C.H. and C.H.B. and I found his probate record which shows him as Charles Henry Bottomley but known as Charles Henry. Charlie962 many thanks for highlighting a part of Ancestry I had not considered before which does seem to tie up with later service in WW2. Just need to tie down the Delhi Durbar reference now? Thanks Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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