Nick1914 Posted 31 July , 2017 Share Posted 31 July , 2017 Dear All, over the last few weeks we have been engaged in a very interesting series of posts involving BEF embarkation ships in 1914. I note the 2nd Bn KRRC left Southampton on the SS Galeka and arrived at Le Havre on 13th August 1914. Unfortunately I cannot find a list of officers who sailed. I have 5 individual names but no comprehensive list. Sources checked include the War Diary(WO/95/1272), including the Appendices, Westlake's "British Battalions" normally a good source but only details of 3rd Bn in December 1914 and finally the history "Annals of the KRRC". Again nothing. Help most appreciated. Additionally when trawling the War Diary Appendices for 20th Oct 1914 (pg 18) I saw a reference to an officer casualty going sick on that date ''Lt XXXX - Forest and CSM.......left sick". Can anyone please help decipher the officer's name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 31 July , 2017 Share Posted 31 July , 2017 Not at home this morning Nick - I think I have a nominal roll of the 2/KRRC officers at embarkation. Definitely have a roll for immediately pre-War. Will advise once I'm reunited with my library. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1914 Posted 31 July , 2017 Author Share Posted 31 July , 2017 Thanks Mark, strange how this key peace of info missing in some important primary docs! Best, Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 31 July , 2017 Share Posted 31 July , 2017 Post Options Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: S.S. Galeka (Hospital Ship Sunk 28/10/16) Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 19:40 SS Galeka http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Galeka HMHS Galeka alongside the larger HMHS Britannic Career Owner: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Builder: Harland and Wolff, Belfast Yard number: 347 Launched: 21 October 1899 Completed: 23 December 1899 Fate: Hit a mine laid by German U-boat UC-26on 28 October 1916. [1] General characteristics Tonnage: 6,767 tons Length: 440 ft (130 m) Beam: 53 ft (16 m) Speed: 12.5 knots (23.2 km/h) SS Galeka was a steam ship originally built for the Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company, but requisitioned for use as a British troop transport and then a hospital ship during the First World War. On 28 October 1916 she hit a mine laid by the G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1914 Posted 31 July , 2017 Author Share Posted 31 July , 2017 Dear Johnboy, Amazing what the questions throw up! Probably better if the your SS Galeka post is transferred by a GWF moderator to the 1914 Embarkation Post? Lots of great info here so be a shame if missed by the the significant numbers following this thread rather than KRRC focus. Thanks Nick Mark, can I be a pain and also ask for the 1st Bn KRRC BEF embarkation list? I'm working systematically through a list Martin has provided and keep throwing up gaps! Best, Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 31 July , 2017 Share Posted 31 July , 2017 Hi Nick, If you have access to Ancestry. the 2nd Bn 14 Star officer roll appears to start here. The disembarkment dates should give you a pretty reliable list. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 31 July , 2017 Share Posted 31 July , 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, clk said: Hi Nick, If you have access to Ancestry. the 2nd Bn 14 Star officer roll appears to start here. The disembarkment dates should give you a pretty reliable list. Regards Chris Not that reliable as 1st and 2nd KRRC both disembarked on the same day ... so you could just wait for me to get home Here you go ... Edit: LIST DELETED ON PUBLISHING A CORRECTED VERSION FURTHER DOWN Mark Edited 31 July , 2017 by MBrockway Further investigations revealed anomalies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 31 July , 2017 Share Posted 31 July , 2017 3 hours ago, Nick1914 said: Additionally when trawling the War Diary Appendices for 20th Oct 1914 (pg 18) I saw a reference to an officer casualty going sick on that date ''Lt XXXX - Forest and CSM.......left sick". Can anyone please help decipher the officer's name? I cannot find the page you're referencing in the war diary, but your man will be Lt. T.R. FORSYTH-FORREST. He did not go out with the battalion, but joined in the field 04 Sep 1914, reported Sick 20 Oct 1914. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1914 Posted 31 July , 2017 Author Share Posted 31 July , 2017 Mark, impressive and most helpful....I look forward to anything from home when you have time. Chris, I haven't got Ancestry but the Star Roll is a good tip for the future. Best, Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 31 July , 2017 Share Posted 31 July , 2017 I am back at home! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1914 Posted 31 July , 2017 Author Share Posted 31 July , 2017 Mark, looks liked you've nailed Forsyth-Forrest for me. Thanks Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1914 Posted 31 July , 2017 Author Share Posted 31 July , 2017 .......plugged a massive hole in my spreadsheet Mark. Huge timesaver. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1914 Posted 31 July , 2017 Author Share Posted 31 July , 2017 Mark, would you by any chance know the precise date(somewhere Oct '14 onwards) when Archibald Hoare, a 2nd Bn KRRC officer newly commissioned from the ranks, was wounded? I believe it was a gsw to the foot. He was kia Nov 1917. Sorry for keep asking! Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 31 July , 2017 Share Posted 31 July , 2017 3 minutes ago, Nick1914 said: Mark, would you by any chance know the precise date(somewhere Oct '14 onwards) when Archibald Hoare, a 2nd Bn KRRC officer newly commissioned from the ranks, was wounded? I believe it was a gsw to the foot. He was kia Nov 1917. Sorry for keep asking! Nick Wounded 02 Nov 1914 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 31 July , 2017 Share Posted 31 July , 2017 Mindful of your research thesis, Capt JA Anderson, attached from RAMC, went back to UK sick on 26 Oct 1914 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 31 July , 2017 Share Posted 31 July , 2017 4 hours ago, Nick1914 said: Dear Johnboy, Amazing what the questions throw up! Probably better if the your SS Galeka post is transferred by a GWF moderator to the 1914 Embarkation Post? Lots of great info here so be a shame if missed by the the significant numbers following this thread rather than KRRC focus. Thanks Nick Mark, can I be a pain and also ask for the 1st Bn KRRC BEF embarkation list? I'm working systematically through a list Martin has provided and keep throwing up gaps! Best, Nick iam happy o leave it here as back ground to your posts rather than move it where it will end up as a chart of some sort or another f mg wants pics he has only to google them he told me not long ago that I only posted for post count and my posts were rubbish so if he wants info he can find it for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 31 July , 2017 Share Posted 31 July , 2017 Nick, I've spent the afternoon doing a cross-reference between the early roll and a later roll from late 1915 that details those who were "Mobilized with the battalion". I have checked the anomalies found against other KRRC sources and can now give this REVISED list of 2/KRRC officers at Embarkation ... 2/Lt Oswald HC BALFOUR 2/Lt Rafe HM BARCLAY2/Lt William P BRISTOWE - joined Bn in field 29 Nov 1914 2/Lt William RM CROSSMAN 2/Lt S DAVISON 2/Lt John S FORSTER2/Lt JFE GOAD - Special Reserve, landed 12 Sep 1914, joined in field 21 Sep 1914, wounded & MiA 31 Oct 1914, POW2/Lt Richard PENNEFATHER - stayed in UK and landed with 11/KRRC 21 Jul 1915 (Andy: further to our phone call, his brother, CL Pennefather was killed in action with 2/RB in 1916) 2/Lt George SR THOMPSON 2/Lt EV TINDALL Lt Maurice F BLAKE Lt Robert HM BOND Lt Philip JR CURRIE Lt John HS DIMMER - wounded and awarded VC 12 Nov 1914Lt Craufurd T ELLISON - landed 22 or 28 Aug 1914, joined in field 05 Sep 1914, wounded 14 Sep 1914 Lt JS MELLOR Lt Raymond JH PURCELL Lt Hon Eric EMJ UPTON - AdjutantCapt Gilbert J ACLAND TROYTE - employed OUTSIDE 2/KRRC as Staff Captain, 2 Brigade Capt JS ANDERSON, att. RAMC Capt Augustus E CATHCART Capt John EN HESELTINE Capt George J JACKSON Capt George K PRIAULXMajor JW DWANE - NOT ACTIVE in BATTALION: actually retired Quarter-Master and stayed in UK Major Hubert FFB FOLJAMBE Major Rudolf G JELF Lt.-Col Eric PEARCE-SEROCOLD Plus these additions ... Major Lewis F PHILIPS - the bn's Senior major! Major Henry C WARRE, DSO - although on strength of 3/KRRC (who were still in India), landed with 2/KRRC on 12 Aug 1914, trfd to 1/KRRC 03 Nov 1914 Lt Bertram W JACKSON 2/Lt Richard C FEATHERSTONHAUGH QM & Hon Lt Albert E ROBINSON It is sad to note that 23 of these officers had either been killed or wounded by the end of October 1914. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 31 July , 2017 Share Posted 31 July , 2017 6 hours ago, Nick1914 said: Mark, can I be a pain and also ask for the 1st Bn KRRC BEF embarkation list? I'm working systematically through a list Martin has provided and keep throwing up gaps! Best, Nick Nick Sorry, but I did not spot this request lurking in the text of another post! I will look into this later. What names has MG given you for 1/KRRC? Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 31 July , 2017 Share Posted 31 July , 2017 (edited) Hi Mark, Yes 14/6/16 with the 2nd RB. He wrote some very scathing correspondence regarding the staff and planning of Neuve Chapelle to fellow RB officers who had recently left the battalion. Calling them incompetent, clueless and so out of touch with what was actually happening on the battlefield causing unnecessary utter slaughter in many cases. Andy Edited 31 July , 2017 by stiletto_33853 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 31 July , 2017 Share Posted 31 July , 2017 Hi, On 31/07/2017 at 23:34, MBrockway said: Not that reliable as 1st and 2nd KRRC both disembarked on the same day I guess that might be the case if the 1st Bn officers weren't listed on pages that had 1st Battalion typed on them. For the pages that don't, what is left is... Source: Ancestry.co.uk - 1914 Star Medal Rolls It seems like a pretty good match to the revised list, so I think that the technique does have some validity. Cheers Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 31 July , 2017 Share Posted 31 July , 2017 (edited) 42 minutes ago, clk said: Hi, I guess that might be the case if the 1st Bn officers weren't listed on pages that had 1st Battalion typed on them. For the pages that don't, what is left is... Source: Ancestry.co.uk - 1914 Star Medal Rolls It seems like a pretty good match to the revised list, so I think that the technique does have some validity. Cheers Chris I agree: a good match. The only anomalies are those extra-regimentally employed, like Acland-Troyte. As a staff officer with 2 Bde (2/KRRC's brigade) he went out at the same time. Lt Robert H WILLAN is listed as not joining the battalion until 20 Sep 1914 (in the field), and wounded a week later. Like Acland-Troyte, he was employed extra-regimentally, in his case with 1st Signalling Company, Army Signalling Service, Royal Engineers, where he had been attached since 1912. This unit seems to be the divisional signallers for 1st Division (2/KRRC's division), hence the same Disembarkation date, though he did not go out with the battalion. Take these two out and it's a perfect match! Mark . Edited 31 July , 2017 by MBrockway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1914 Posted 31 July , 2017 Author Share Posted 31 July , 2017 Dear Mark & Chris, thanks for all this work......so professional. Also your casualty insights are most useful. With regard to Robert Willan do you think when he went back to the battalion on 20th Sept it was in a regimental officer role to replace one of the many junior officers kia/wounded on the Aisne? Or would it be with his Signalling hat still on? With regard to Martin's list this is ORBAT-based not Name-based but shows how each unit embarked with dates and ships etc. Most useful. My complete list of 1st Bn KRRC officer Casualties(only) in 1914 is below and includes attached officers from other regiments(annotated) plus reinforcement joining dates. Note the list is in order of casualty occurrence.(August to December 1914). Wilkie/Archibald Hanning - *(original embarkation group 13th Aug on SS Honorius to Rouen) Chaworth-Musters/Patricius George (“Pat”) * Butler/H W Banon/Ronald Awly Bonham-Carter/Algernon Lothian Woods/Reginald Herbert Bradford/Edward Austen Lloyd/Humphrey Clifford Maclachlan/Alexander Fraser Campbell (3rd KRRC) * Makins/Geoffrey - Sept ’14 Alston/John Stirling Ranken/Harry Sherwood - (RAMC ex-Eygptian Army)* Cavendish-Bentinck/Ferdinand William - (3rd KRRC) - 24th Aug? Northey/Edward * Brocklehurst/Archibald Henry * Clowes/Charles George Edric Harman/Arthur * Armytage/George Ayscough Cronk/William Guy -(3rd East Kent) - * 8th Oct Ward/Kenneth Hilary Wodehouse Bourke/Eustace George Walter * Hone/Thomas Nathaniel Battenberg/Maurice Victor Donald Sweeting/Henry Carol - (late 5th KRRC) - 5th Oct Llewellyn/William Wynn - (3rd Somerset LI) - 19th Oct Wells/Walter Neave - (3rd East Kent) -8th Oct Willis/Audley Lionel York -(5th KRRC) - 8th Oct Waring/Edward Robert - (5th KRRC) Casey/James Slater/Richard Henry -(???4th Warwicks) Seymour/Beauchamp -(3rd KRRC) - 5th Oct Collins/Charles Lucas/Samuel Reynard/Charles Horner - (2nd KRRC) - 8th Oct Richards/Robert Schoon/Charles Frederick Wadner/Thomas Gough/Guy Vincent Hugh Wakefield-Saunders/Alan Morley - 8th Sept Lynes/Wynne Parr - (5th KRRC) - 5th Oct - 4th Reinforcement) Ward/Harold Eyres -(3rd East Kent) Denison/Edward Bridgeman Hope this helps. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 31 July , 2017 Share Posted 31 July , 2017 Nick, I'm confused - are you wanting the roll of officers who landed with (either) battalion on 13 Aug 1914? Or all the officers who served in these battalions in August to December 1914? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1914 Posted 1 August , 2017 Author Share Posted 1 August , 2017 Mark, sorry for the confusion. I'm just looking for those officers who landed on 13th Aug who eventually became casualties in 1914. ie there are 4 groups 1) landed 13 Aug and not casualty in 1914 - not my target 2) landed 13 Aug and subsequently casualty in 1914 - my target 3) landed later as reinforcements and not casualty in 1914 4) landed later as reinforcement and casualty in 1914 - of interest but not my question in this instance. I just added all my list ie groups 1 & 4 hoping for confirmation and any additions. Best regards, Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 1 August , 2017 Share Posted 1 August , 2017 What does the asterisk signify in the list in Post #22 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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