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Sergeant Trumpeter, which regiment please?


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https://www.herefordshirehistory.org.uk/archive/bustin-image-collection/military-portraits/166557-g36-373-16jpg#prettyPhoto

 

Please can I have some help with this photo, see link above. I guess he is a Sergeant Major Trumpeter and this is an undress frock c. 1898 but I cant see anything to suggest regiment, except colour I suppose. One clue I have is that I have another photo of this building in the Bustin collection with notice "4th KSLI Officer's Mess". I understand that the 4th KSLI were Herefordshire Militia in the Boer War..

Please correct any of these assumptions if they are incorrect.

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As his pillbox cap is not quartered and he appears to have a single line stripe to his breeches I suspect that he is a Hussar.  There is no regimental arm badge so that would suggest 4th, 13th, or 20th Hussars, who did not have such badges until after WW1.

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I think I am correct in saying he is a Trumpet Major, which is an appointment rather than a rank. He would appear to hold the rank of Sgt Major. Trumpet Major indicates a mounted Regiment or a Corps eg RA, ASC etc. His buttons look like they have a "Star" with a crown at the top, something similar to the ASC Cap Badge, on them.

 

Charlie

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I suspect no-longer regular given his very slack turnout and rather portly demeanour. Zooming in on the details and his rather battered trumpet might suggest non-regular. If he is a Hussar there is a long list of Yeomanry candidate regiments.

 

The overalls look a lighter hue than his tunic. Not sure if that helps. 

 

No medal ribbons in sight. 

 

Incidentally the claims on copyright on the image are spurious.

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34 minutes ago, QGE said:

I suspect no-longer regular given his very slack turnout and rather portly demeanour. Zooming in on the details and his rather battered trumpet might suggest non-regular. If he is a Hussar there is a long list of Yeomanry candidate regiments.

 

The overalls look a lighter hue than his tunic. Not sure if that helps. 

 

No medal ribbons in sight. 

 

Incidentally the claims on copyright on the image are spurious.

 

Yes, I agree with all your comments.  His turnout is poor and looking at his age he might well be Yeomanry.  He is wearing a blue frock nicknamed by the cavalry a 'jumper' according to Winston Churchill.  It officially replaced the stable jacket (except in household cavalry) from the mid 1890s.

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Frogsmile, QCE and Charlie 2

Thank you very much for your comments. It's strange how the answer to my questions more than once has been Hussars or Yeomanry. Clearly I need to spend more time on that excellent website uniformology.com.

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3 minutes ago, ardyer said:

Charlie

Well spotted, unfortunately I have not identified that one eeither

 

I'm sure Frogsmile can.

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13 minutes ago, ardyer said:

Charlie

Well spotted, unfortunately I have not identified that one eeither

 

The very smartly turned out officer shown is wearing the pre-WW1 full dress of the Army Service Corps.

The ASC did indeed have trumpet majors and wear a pill box forage cap and 'jumper' type frock in undress, so if the buttons are the same then it would seem that you have your ID.  Well spotted charlie2.

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Frogsmile

Thank you so much , two IDs for the price of one. Thanks again to Charlie2 for your observation and I hope you found something of interest when you trawled through the Bustin photos.

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6 minutes ago, ardyer said:

 I hope you found something of interest when you trawled through the Bustin photos.

 

The pre WW1 photos are always of interest. It a wonderful collection. 

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