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On 02/08/2018 at 01:41, Wayne Saillard said:

The four companies claimed to have been engaged to produce the tins are:

 

1. Barclay & Fry Ltd, London, who also did the Queen Victoria chocolate tins for J.S. Fry & Sons Ltd back in 1899.

2. Barringer Wallis & Manners Ltd, Mansfield, who also did the Queen Victoria chocolate tins for Rowntree & Co. Ltd back in 1899.

3. Hudson Scott & Sons Ltd, Carlisle, who also did the Queen Victoria chocolate tins for Cadbury Ltd back in 1899.

4. O.T. Banks Ltd - unfortunately I have no information at all about this company.

 

Hope this is of some help.

 

I had no idea. Yes, very helpful and interesting. Thanks Wayne!

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On 20/09/2017 at 21:03, Michelle Young said:

Mines full of medals, no chocolate or smokes! 

 

I was gifted a tin by a friend who works in a charity shop, he knows I have an interest in military history and so put it aside for me. When I got to look at it, it contained some dominoes! They look homemade, not entirely sure from what though! There was no evidence they are from the same time period but thought they were interesting none the less.

 

Tin is a bit battered but I like it!

 

 

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In period, dominoes would have been made from animal bone.

 

Mike.

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21 minutes ago, MikeyH said:

In period, dominoes would have been made from animal bone.

 

Mike.

I had suspected they were bone. Whats the usual suspect for this, bovine?

 

Gaz

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1 hour ago, Chef_Hendrix said:

I had suspected they were bone. Whats the usual suspect for this, bovine?

 

Gaz

 

Yes, bovine bones normally.

 

Mike.

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good evening,

 

this is one part about the box find in Auchy les mines (France - pas de calais) :

 

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regards

 

:poppy:

 

michel

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On ‎03‎/‎06‎/‎2017 at 18:38, Sepoy said:

A rare Princess Mary Christmas Gift!!!
I purchased this from an Antique Dealer, for a few pence, during the 1980s. He had thrown it into a box of junk, thinking it devalued a Princess Mary box which had just sold.

Sepoy

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good evening,

 

i have find the same lighter without marking in the old british dump near the battlefield of arras:

 

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:poppy:

 

michel

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Hi all, I’m new here, I’ve come into possession of a brass tin, no hinges, with 1914 instead of queen Mary’s profile. 

 

Is it a fake?  It was bought from a stall for £18 - 15 years ago.

 

any ideas? Thanks 

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On 11/04/2019 at 10:27, Graysquirrelaway said:

Hi all, I’m new here, I’ve come into possession of a brass tin, no hinges, with 1914 instead of queen Mary’s profile. 

 

Is it a fake?  It was bought from a stall for £18 - 15 years ago.

 

any ideas? Thanks 

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Sadly yes, it's not right. I believe these were made in India.

 

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Mike

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Hello, My name is Mike. I recently came across the forum as well as coming across this tin belonging to my late Grandfather. He was in the 1st bedfords and arrived as part of the BEF and fought at Mons in Aug 1914. I have his medals with the 1914 star which contains the "Bar" I was interested in the tin to try and find out what type it is as I understand there are several versions. I do not think it is fake as I recall it being in the house for well over 50 yrs but would appreciate some of your expert opinions. Grateful for any help and advice.

Thanks in Advance.

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Mike,

Yes it looks genuine, nice to see that it has not been overpolished.

Someone with more knowledge of the minutiae of the tins, may be able to comment further.

Mike.

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2 minutes ago, MikeyH said:

Mike,

Yes it looks genuine, nice to see that it has not been overpolished.

Someone with more knowledge of the minutiae of the tins, may be able to comment further.

Mike.

Many Thanks. Do you know what "Type" it could be?

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not sure where to post this (Mods can move if needed) just showing Queen Victoria chocolate tin (did not know they existed)

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The Weekend at Canadian Virtual Military Museum
Christmas Box of Chocolates - 1900
IMAGE - Queen Victoria gift chocolate box to British & Canadian troops in South Africa (Boer War-1900)
The most famous tin from the Boer war was the one which Queen Victoria sent to each of her soldiers in South Africa. Each contained her gift of chocolate, and in her handwriting, across the bottom, said, "I wish you a happy New Year, Victoria Reg".
Source: National Army Museum
In 1899 Queen Victoria decided to send a gift of tin boxes of chocolate to her troops serving in South Africa. It was intended that every soldier and officer should get a box, the manufacture of which was funded personally by the Queen.
In order to carry out this project, the country's three principal chocolate manufacturers Messrs J S Fry and Sons, Messrs Cadbury Bros. Ltd and Messrs Rowntree & Co Ltd were asked to undertake the order for what amounted by the end of 1900 to 123,000 tins. As Quakers the manufacturers refused to accept payment for the order. Their pacifist beliefs meant that they did not wish to profit from the war so they offered to donate the chocolate instead.
The tins had rounded corners for ease of storage in a soldier's knapsack and each contained half a pound of vanilla chocolate.
 

  

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As a newbie I thought I would add my examples from the collection alas minus the writing set due to the silly asking prices

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On 14/12/2020 at 17:05, robins2 said:

not sure where to post this (Mods can move if needed) just showing Queen Victoria chocolate tin (did not know they existed)

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The Weekend at Canadian Virtual Military Museum
Christmas Box of Chocolates - 1900
IMAGE - Queen Victoria gift chocolate box to British & Canadian troops in South Africa (Boer War-1900)
The most famous tin from the Boer war was the one which Queen Victoria sent to each of her soldiers in South Africa. Each contained her gift of chocolate, and in her handwriting, across the bottom, said, "I wish you a happy New Year, Victoria Reg".
Source: National Army Museum
In 1899 Queen Victoria decided to send a gift of tin boxes of chocolate to her troops serving in South Africa. It was intended that every soldier and officer should get a box, the manufacture of which was funded personally by the Queen.
In order to carry out this project, the country's three principal chocolate manufacturers Messrs J S Fry and Sons, Messrs Cadbury Bros. Ltd and Messrs Rowntree & Co Ltd were asked to undertake the order for what amounted by the end of 1900 to 123,000 tins. As Quakers the manufacturers refused to accept payment for the order. Their pacifist beliefs meant that they did not wish to profit from the war so they offered to donate the chocolate instead.
The tins had rounded corners for ease of storage in a soldier's knapsack and each contained half a pound of vanilla chocolate.
 

  

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This is a very nice Rowntree Boer war chocolate tin in Fine condition for being 121 years old. A fair few of the participants in 1914 {BEF} would have had one .

Your right in saying that their were three manufactures supplying the chocolate but as they were all Quakers they did not want to be supporting the war.

The Queen was insistent that the troops new it was only the best chocolate available so the name of the chocolate manufacturer was impressed only on the chocolate it self.

Now we have a problem of identification, From experience  I have found the following : the Cadbury tin is the smallest so that is easy, the remaining tins are both the same size, so the Fry's tin has a lighter blue boarder and the signature of Queen Victoria {bottom right hand corner } runs parallel with the edge of the tin while the Rowntree tin has a Prussian {dark} Blue boarder and the Queens signature is askew to the tins edge as in your example.

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very nice collection  thanks for posting

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On 18/08/2019 at 13:39, Guest said:

Hello, My name is Mike. I recently came across the forum as well as coming across this tin belonging to my late Grandfather. He was in the 1st bedfords and arrived as part of the BEF and fought at Mons in Aug 1914. I have his medals with the 1914 star which contains the "Bar" I was interested in the tin to try and find out what type it is as I understand there are several versions. I do not think it is fake as I recall it being in the house for well over 50 yrs but would appreciate some of your expert opinions. Grateful for any help and advice.

Thanks in Advance.

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Looking at your tin it may be one of the later items which were made out of plated tin due to the shortage of brass later in the war, What I am at a loss to know is how the plating is not showing around the edge of the tin, I have no doubt in the tin being original in its construction . I would be tempted to rub a small area with four "o" wire wool to determine if the tin is base metal brass {ie plated] or base metal tin the the plating removed .Interesting.

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On 18/08/2019 at 13:39, Guest said:

Hello, My name is Mike. I recently came across the forum as well as coming across this tin belonging to my late Grandfather. He was in the 1st bedfords and arrived as part of the BEF and fought at Mons in Aug 1914. I have his medals with the 1914 star which contains the "Bar" I was interested in the tin to try and find out what type it is as I understand there are several versions. I do not think it is fake as I recall it being in the house for well over 50 yrs but would appreciate some of your expert opinions. Grateful for any help and advice.

Thanks in Advance.

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Just as an update, A new book by Professor Peter Doyle ["For every Sailor afloat, every Soldier at the front" isbn 978-1-913491-53-6 ] covering the history of Princess Marys tin, has a mention of unofficial Silver plating of the tins witch would explain the lack of brass around the seams and may explain why you have slight indication of brass in the base.

 

 

 

 

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On 05/05/2021 at 11:48, General Gordon said:

As a newbie I thought I would add my examples from the collection alas minus the writing set due to the silly asking prices1061793049_PrincessMarytinpipe.jpg.3b7743d99dc938b6c4ff4233abb79eb0.jpg1095521977_PrincessMarytin.jpg.39c08f495128e3e92e55d5c0a4de312c.jpg

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Just an added item to the Christmas 1914 collection is the Cadbury tin for wounded service men complete with the internal label and packing material

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