The Inspector Posted 26 March , 2017 Share Posted 26 March , 2017 Hi All I recently picked up a post card photo of a Kings Liverpool soldier, clearly identified by his cap and shoulder badges. In the top right hand corner of the photo is a small photo superimposed of a female. I'm given to understand that this is probably his wife and these photos were standard. On the reverse of the photo on the correspondence side on the left are the following handwritten words in blue ink "To James & (Ida) With Best Wishes Yours Sincerely Glen." On the right hand side "Address Only" are written the following words in the same handwriting and ink "32577 Pte.J.Horrocks 21/3/18 Heliopolis" This post card has not been sent through the mail, no stamp, not franked. Having searched for 32577 J Horrocks the only MIC that comes up with that number, rank and and initial Is Pte James Horrocks 32577, Lancashire Fusiliers. The medal award roll shows he was with the 15th. Whilst gazing at the photo and wondering just who this chap was I realised that the blue ink writing on the front of the photo didn't line up with the writing on the back, having presumed it had leached through over time. Out came the magnifying glass...the writing was back to front and in the same ink and hand. The reverse image in a mirror reads:- On the left, "To My cousin Kate With Best Wishes Glen xxx" and on the right "To Miss K Browning, 21/3/18". Obviously two photos had been next to each other for some time and eventually this one thrown into a box in the antique shop where I found it. I reckon with the expertise on this forum it should be possible to identify "Glen" by tracing his cousin Kate Browning and James Shorrocks and Ida ??. Can anyone help with James Horrocks and any further details. Thanks in anticipation Regards Barry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 27 March , 2017 Share Posted 27 March , 2017 That's an interesting puzzle Barry. What do the census returns for Lancashire show for 1911 I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 27 March , 2017 Share Posted 27 March , 2017 As a starter (if it helps at all) 32577 J Horrocks' name appears in a list of wounded 8th May 1917 Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 27 March , 2017 Share Posted 27 March , 2017 I "found" a Glen Day in the MICs serving with the LNLancs/Kings Liverpool/ REs could be him possibly. Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTracer44 Posted 27 March , 2017 Share Posted 27 March , 2017 Glen Howard Day born Oldham mar qtr 1894, marriage of Glen H Day to a Mary Horrocks in 1919, could be some connection there. Den Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 27 March , 2017 Share Posted 27 March , 2017 Glen H Day died Oldham 1970. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 27 March , 2017 Share Posted 27 March , 2017 10 hours ago, Skipman said: As a starter (if it helps at all) 32577 J Horrocks' name appears in a list of wounded 8th May 1917 Mike 32577 J Horrocks awarded SWB on Ancestry HERE enlisted 4/10/16 discharged 4/10/18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 27 March , 2017 Author Share Posted 27 March , 2017 (edited) Hi All Thanks for the replies I have just checked the record of the marriage on 21st Oct, 1919 at Hollins Methodist Church, Millgate, Oldham between Mary Horrocks and as Ancestry has transcribed ELEN Howard Day. The actual record is obviously Glen Howard Day. Mary's father is James Horrocks and Glen's father is James Day The signature on the marriage cert. No.7 for "Glen" is an EXACT match to the postcard. !!!!!! SO...the photo is,almost certainly, Glen Howard Day Pte 38175 Loyal North Lancs, 72958 Kings Liverpool Regt, 368155 Royal Engineers. On the cert. Glen is shown as a Grocer's Manager, aged 25 yrs of 52 Hudson St., Oldham, father James deceased and his wife Mary aged 25yrs a Dairyman. of Hollins Farm, Hollins Road, Oldham. Father James a farmer. Will post the photo when I figure out my new phone. Once again, thanks a million, off to bed and searching again tomorrow Regards Barry Edited 28 March , 2017 by The Inspector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 28 March , 2017 Author Share Posted 28 March , 2017 22 hours ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: That's an interesting puzzle Barry. What do the census returns for Lancashire show for 1911 I wonder? Hi 1911 Glen Day, b.1894, Hollinwood (Oldham) Lancs, at 52 Hudson Street, Hollinwood. Grocer's Assistant.....that's him. Regards Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 28 March , 2017 Share Posted 28 March , 2017 (edited) Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Births Mar 1894 Day Glen Howard Oldham 8d 677 An unusual christian name, only about 60 male 'Glen's (as compared to 'Glenn') born in England and Wales from 1837 to 1900. My favourite is Glen DOWER, (Clerkenwell, 1863)! Edited 28 March , 2017 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 28 March , 2017 Author Share Posted 28 March , 2017 Hi Glen Howard Day b 29.12.1893, Oldham, died June 1970 Oldham. Looking for Mary Horrocks I think she may have come from Bolton, 1901 census shows a Mary with father James has a grocery and is an agent...perhaps that's where the connection is and they moved to Oldham to the farm? This Mary also had a brother James b.1880. Not found cousin Kate Browning or Ida? ...yet. Regards Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTracer44 Posted 28 March , 2017 Share Posted 28 March , 2017 Hello Barry Possible marriage of Glen H Day's father James Day, in Oldham 1888, did you check any further back on that Methodist record to see if the father James got married there, good to know who Glen's mother was, re cousins. Den Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 28 March , 2017 Share Posted 28 March , 2017 James Day m Eliza Grant in 1888 in Oldham. 1911 Census has Glen the son of ANNIE a widow, sisters Olive,Murial and Blanche , there is a birth register for Glen on LancsBMD giving the maiden name of his mother as Grant, also there is a birth record for KATHLEEN Blanche Day. Looks to me as if Glen is NOT Annies son and the Kate MIGHT be Kathleen Blanche . Any takers ? Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 28 March , 2017 Share Posted 28 March , 2017 James Day b 1849 husband of Eliza 1891 census = children Eunice OLIVE GRANT b 1890 amd Muriel Thorton GRANT b 1891 lived 30 Lois St Chadderton Oldham.Getting closer I think. Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 28 March , 2017 Share Posted 28 March , 2017 James Day died Oldham 1904 aged 55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 28 March , 2017 Share Posted 28 March , 2017 Theory up the wall, Kathleen Blanche Day b 1892 mothers name GRANT. Therefore who is Annie Day born Crediton Devon 1858 on the 1911 census ? odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 28 March , 2017 Author Share Posted 28 March , 2017 Hi All Kathleen Blanche Day, Glen's sister is a witness at the wedding. Regards Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 28 March , 2017 Author Share Posted 28 March , 2017 8 hours ago, TTracer44 said: Hello Barry Possible marriage of Glen H Day's father James Day, in Oldham 1888, did you check any further back on that Methodist record to see if the father James got married there, good to know who Glen's mother was, re cousins. Den Hi Den James Day came from Priestfield in Staffordshire b.1849 and Annie/Eliza from Crediton, Devon,The 1888 marriage in Oldham shows only one female , a Sarah Sexton, and two males James Day and a Thomas Martin.....nothing to do with our search, in my opinion. Regards Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 28 March , 2017 Author Share Posted 28 March , 2017 (edited) Hi All..again Mary Horrocks shown as HARROCKS on the 1911 census at 2 Sarah St, Hollins Rd, Oldham aged 16 yrs, born 1895 a dairy maid. Father James, a farmer born 1860, Oldham, mother Maria born 1862 Oldham, son Fred 1889 Oldham, working on farm, farmer's son, son James born 1898 Oldham , a wheelwright's apprentice and daughter Elizabeth born 1900. Married 28 yrs, 5 children, one died.........I reckon this is the correct female side of the marriage....looking Regards Barry IT IS ! The next page on the census shows the address as Hollins Farm,Swallow St, Hollinwood,Nr. Oldham. Hollins Farm is the address on the marriage cert for Mary. Sarah St and Swallow St are on the same enumeration district. Edited 28 March , 2017 by The Inspector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTracer44 Posted 28 March , 2017 Share Posted 28 March , 2017 Hello Barry back to James Day / Eliza Grant marriage 1888 Oldham this found on Lancsbmd also the children Muriel Thorton, Kathleen Blanche and Glen Howard all with the mothers maiden surname of Grant, fairly conclusive I think, the first born child Eunice Olive, looks to have been born in Prestwich 1889, great puzzle keep us updated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 28 March , 2017 Author Share Posted 28 March , 2017 (edited) Me again James Horrocks of Hollins Farm, Hollinwood died 13th August 1948 @ 449 Rochdale Rd., Oldham. Probate 1 st Dec. to Glen Howard Day, salesman, Elizabeth Horrocks, spinster and James Horrocks, coal dealer. Effects £1196.0s 9d... Regards Barry James Horrocks married Maria Ogden, 1883 1st qtr, Oldham, she died Sept 1927, Oldham, aged 65yrs. James Horrocks, the son born 1898 married Amy Rawstron, b.1895, had a daughter Amy, 1927-1976 and son James Alan 1929-2009..James died 1972, Oldham. I think he is Pte. 32577Lancs Fusiliers to whom the card was addressed. BUT still can't find "Ida" or Glen's cousin Kate Browning. Regards Barry There is a tree on Ancestry that goes back to 1590! It's obvious that the Farm had been in the Horrocks family for sometime, known as Sarah Street Farm, see 1881 and 1891 2 Sarah St (Horrocks Farm) censuses, James Horrocks born 1830. great grandfather to Pte.32755.....now for the Day side of the family.... Edited 29 March , 2017 by The Inspector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 28 March , 2017 Author Share Posted 28 March , 2017 (edited) Hi There's a Kate Browning a dairy keeper in 1911 in Crediton, Devon, born 1882, single.? Same place as Annie/Eliza came from.?? There is a visitor from Canada, originally shown as Nephew but crossed through. On his marriage in Canada in 1914 his mother's maiden name is Bessie Grant. Kate's mother is Ann Browning from Inwardleigh, Crediton, Devon.b.1847?.....There are step children name of Hosegood..the plot thickens.. Regards Barry Bessie Browning (nee Grant) emigrated to Canada in 1905 with Edgar aged 16 and his sisters Florence and Jessie.... Edited 28 March , 2017 by The Inspector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josquin Posted 28 March , 2017 Share Posted 28 March , 2017 (edited) Kate Browning's birth was registered in the 4th Quarter of 1881 at Crediton; the 1911 Census confirms Crediton as her birthplace. Her parents, Richard & Ann Browning, were both born in Devon and married in 1876 (BMD 2 Q, at Crediton). The 1911 Census listed Kate as single, residing in Crediton, and "Occupation (DOMESTIC)". BMD lists a Kate Browning, died in 1950, age 68 registered 1 Q 1950 at Manchester; surname suggests she never married. Josquin Edited 29 March , 2017 by josquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 29 March , 2017 Author Share Posted 29 March , 2017 Hi Josquin and all, She died, a spinster, 29th Jan 1950, probate to a solicitor, address given 120 Moston Lane East, New Moston, Manchester. Moston Lane East is 1,9 miles from Hollins Road, Oldham where the Horrocks' farm was. Getting closer. Regards Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 29 March , 2017 Author Share Posted 29 March , 2017 Hi Josquin Have you got the right female for Richard Browning's marriage? The date is correct but the 1891 census shows him with his wife Ellen. the 1876 Marriage record is on same page as Ann Warren but he married Ellen Grant! The 1891 census also shows step daughter Ella May Hosgood aged 13yrs. Richard Browning married Ann Hosgood 1st qtr 1888, Crediton, Devon. Ann Hosgood's mother, Mary Ann Percy, is also on the 1891 census, as are Kate and her brothers Ernest and Fred (b.12/6/1883, Crediton) Incidentally Fred emigrated to Canada/USA in 1909 and became a US citizen on 11.7.1916. I think we have the right Kate but the family is still a muddle. Regards Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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