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Zillebeke Dugouts.


Michael Peck

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Hi all,

My Great Uncle, Pte 2441 William Henry Grocock (4th Lincolnshire) was killed, with 6 others, by shell fire on 2nd September 1915 while in the supposedly relatively safe location variously described as 'Railway Embankment Dugouts', 'Zillebeke Dugouts' or just 'Embankment Dugouts'. All are buried in Railway Dugouts Burial Ground (Transport Farm).

I have (I think) most possible information about him from census to the Battalion War Diary, but my ask is if anyone is aware of a contemporary photo(s) (or sketch plan or large scale map etc) of the dugouts which would help explain the exact location and layout?

I realise that this is a difficult, possibly impossible, request but would thank anyone for any assistance.

Mike. 

 

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Mike - There's a McMaster map here of the Zillebeke region. http://digitalarchive.mcmaster.ca/islandora/object/macrepo%3A71296/-/collection

 

On it is marked "Embankment dugouts", someone else will be able to tell you if it's the exact one you're after. This is just north of Hollebeke.

 

There's another thread here which may be useful to as it mentions the areas of interest plus Paul Reed's Walking the Salient book.

 

Will

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Not these, which are German. Remains of these, and of Lock Lodge, still there.

The ones that you need are at Zillebeke, can't do map at present but I'm sure someone will post one soon.

 

Peter 

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My thanks for your interest and help. A visit to Railway Dugouts later this year may (or may not) help to locate the place, I can but hope. And by sheer coincidence, Will, I expect Paul Reed's book to arrive today!

 

Mike.

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Michael

 

My Trench Map DVD (March 1915) has Railway Dugouts on this portion of the rail line.

 

Roger

 

 

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Here is Transport Farm marked on a later map.

 

Roger

 

 

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Here is the rough area on Google Maps.  I am not very good at doing overlays - somebody else might help.

 

Roger

 

 

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On 21/02/2017 at 12:33, Michael Peck said:

Hi all,

My Great Uncle, Pte 2441 William Henry Grocock (4th Lincolnshire) was killed, with 6 others, by shell fire on 2nd September 1915 while in the supposedly relatively safe location variously described as 'Railway Embankment Dugouts', 'Zillebeke Dugouts' or just 'Embankment Dugouts'. All are buried in Railway Dugouts Burial Ground (Transport Farm).

I have (I think) most possible information about him from census to the Battalion War Diary, but my ask is if anyone is aware of a contemporary photo(s) (or sketch plan or large scale map etc) of the dugouts which would help explain the exact location and layout?

I realise that this is a difficult, possibly impossible, request but would thank anyone for any assistance.

Mike. 

 

Here is a map corrected to 8th May 1917 showing the Railway Dugouts.

Howard

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And Howard, our mails must have crossed. Also in your debt. This forum never ceases to amaze me for the help it gives and the obscure questions it always answers! Thank you,Howard.

 

Mike.

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There were numbered and named dugouts along Zillebeke West Bund they detail number of men in each, amount of overhead cover and condition I have the details in a war diary will try and track them down.  The bund in question is running from roughly the middle diagonally up to the top right.

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Norfolk Regt War Diary states

 

Dugouts in Railway Bank:

 

Dugout

59   100 men

80     90 men

99     12 men

100   10 men

100a  18men

101 - 102 14 men ea

 

 

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I'm very interested to see the aerial photo. If I'm right the annotation to the left of '1918' picks out Manor Halt - the spot where my great uncle was killed. You can just see the railway cross Manor Road.

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Is this the location?

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Bob Davies

Hello All, I just found this thread/post and thought to bring it to the attention of @David_Blanchard as he is researching this area. Regards, Bob.

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