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New CWGC Commemorations 21.01.17

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Terry Denham

CWGC added the following casualties to the WW1 War Dead Roll today.

 

 

All are temporarily commemorated in the United Kingdom Book of Remembrance

 

 

BRAMFITT, Margaret Elizabeth

Nurse

Voluntary Aid Detachment

Died 09.12.18  Age 35

 

 

BROWN, Evelyn Gladys

Nurse

Voluntary Aid Detachment

Died 04.05.16  Age 28

 

 

BUCKLEY, Florence

Nurse

Voluntary Aid Detachment

Died 25.07.18  Age 41

 

 

CAREW, Margaret

Nurse

Voluntary Aid Detachment

Died 03.11.18  Age 28

 

 

CARTER, Ileene Meredith

Nurse

Voluntary Aid Detachment

Died 20.04.17  Age 23

 

 

CASSIDY, Sarah

Member

Voluntary Aid Detachment

Died 08.11.18  Age 32

 

 

CRILLY, Josephine Mary

Nurse

Voluntary Aid Detachment

Died 11.11.18  Age 36

 

 

CRONIN, John

Lance Corporal  17403

Royal Engineers

Died 04.09.16  Age 28

 

 

DENNY, Philip

Private  S/12812

3 Bn, Cameron Highlanders

Died 18.01.17  Age 42

 

 

DRODGE, Doris May

Member

Voluntary Aid Detachment

Died 01.11.18  Age 16

 

 

GENTLES, Thomas

Acting Serjeant  8513

5 Res. Bn, Cameronians (Scottish Rifles)

Died 03.01.17  Age 31

 

 

GOODING, George Ernest

Serjeant  SE/29765

Army Veterinary Corps

Died 16.09.20  Age 43

 

 

HARVEY, James

Private  3/9737

10 Bn, Suffolk Regiment

Died 09.07.19  Age 53

 

 

HUGHES, Michael

Private  16374

11 Bn, Cameronians (Scottish Rifles)

Died 15.09.17  Age 29

 

 

LACEY, John

Private  10098

3 Bn, Royal Irish Regiment

Died 19.12.18  Age 36

 

 

LAIRD, Alexander

Private  7094

4 Bn, Cameronians (Scottish Rifles)

Died 03.04.18  Age 22

 

 

LYNCH, William

Private  14579

8 Bn, Royal Dublin Fusiliers

Died 24.02.19  Age 37

 

 

PETER, Alexander

Private  12319

6 Bn, Gordon Highlanders

Died 16.04.19  Age 25

 

 

SHEARER, Robert

Private 201407

5 Bn, Cameronians (Scottish Rifles)

Died 03.10.17  Age 30

 

 

WILLETT, Arthur

Rifleman  52005

5 Bn, Rifle Brigade

Died 28.02.19  Age 21

 

 

NOT FORGOTTEN

 

 

Several of the above were In From the Cold Project cases.

- Nurse Bramfitt died of a gastric ulcer (Volunteer: Chris Harley)

- Nurse Brown died of meningitis (Volunteer: Jim Strawbridge)

- Nurse Buckley died of cerebral haemorrhage (Volunteer: Jim Strawbridge)

- Nurse Carew died of influenza (Volunteer: Chris Harley)

- Nurse Carter died of cerebral spinal fever (Volunteer: Jim Strawbridge)

- Member Cassidy died of pneumonia (Volunteer: Chris Harley)

- Nurse Crilly died of influenza (Volunteer: Chris Harley)

- Pte Denny died post-discharge of tuberculosis (Volunteer: Mark Duffy)

- Member Drodge died of influenza (Volunteer: Jim Strawbridge)

- A/Sjt Gentles died post-discharge of tuberculosis (Volunteer: Mark Duffy)

- Pte Harvey died post-discharge of tuberculosis of the bladder (Volunteer: Tony Pringle)

- Pte Hughes died post-discharge of nephritis (Volunteer: Mark Duffy)

- Pte Lacey died post-discharge of heart disease (Volunteer: Mark Duffy)

- Pte Laird died post-discharge of tuberculosis (Volunteer: Mark Duffy)

- Pte Lynch died post-discharge of tuberculosis (Volunteer: Mark Duffy)

- Pte Peter died post-discharge of tuberculosis (Volunteer: Mark Duffy)

- Pte Shearer died post-discharge of heart disease (Volunteer: Mark Duffy)

 

 

Edited by Terry Denham

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Phil Evans

George Ernest Gooding was put forward by me and more information about him can be found here

 

Phil.

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SapperBoo

17403 L/Cpl John Cronin enlisted into the Royal Engineers on 28 April 1908.  At the outbreak of WW1 he was serving as a surveyor in West Africa.  He entered the war on 19 September 1914 attached to the Nigerian Regiment; he held the temporary rank of Sergeant.  Whilst serving with the Nigerian Regiment John became ill with Tuberculosis and returned to England.  He was discharged on 27 April 1915 judged physically unfit for war service.  John Cronin died at Peamount Sanatorium, Newcastle, Co Dublin on 4 September 1916.

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chrisharley9

May They Rest In Peace.

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CAREW, MARGARET

Rank:
Nurse
Date of Death:
03/11/1918
Age:
28
Regiment/Service:
Voluntary Aid Detachment
Grave Reference:
N.E. of Church.
Cemetery:
RATTERY (ST. MARY) CHURCHYARD
 
Additional Information:
Daughter of Maud Eliza Carew and the late Revd. Henry William Carew, of Rattery, Devon.

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LAIRD, ALEXANDER

Rank:
Private
Service No:
7094
Date of Death:
03/04/1918
Age:
22
Regiment/Service:
Cameronians (Scottish Rifles)
 
4th Bn.
Grave Reference:
T. 31.
Cemetery:
NEILSTON CEMETERY
 
Additional Information:
Son of Agnes Laird and the late James Laird of Neilston, Renfrewshire.
 
 

N.B.

Recent research has shown that Private Laird is buried here. The Commission is in the process of producing a headstone to mark his grave.

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LYNCH, WILLIAM

Rank:
Private
Service No:
14579
Date of Death:
24/02/1919
Age:
37
Regiment/Service:
Royal Dublin Fusiliers
 
8th Bn.
Grave Reference:
Garden. ND. 108.
Cemetery:
GLASNEVIN (OR PROSPECT) CEMETERY
 
 
 

N.B.

Recent research has shown that Private Lynch is buried here. The Commission is in the process of producing a headstone to mark his grave.

 

Commemoration Moved From UK BOR.

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DRODGE, DORIS MAY

Rank:
Member
Date of Death:
01/11/1918
Age:
16
Regiment/Service:
Voluntary Aid Detachment
Grave Reference:
Special Memorial (right of entrance).
Cemetery:
WESTLEIGH (ST. PETER) CHURCHYARD
 
Additional Information:
Daughter of Frederick Charles Drodge, of Instow, Devon.
 
 

N.B.

Recent research has shown that this casualty is buried here. The Commission is in the process of producing a special memorial headstone to commemorate her as it is not possible to mark her actual grave.

 

Commemoration Moved From UK BOR.

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CARTER, Ileene Meredith

Nurse

Voluntary Aid Detachment

Died 20.04.17  Age 23

 

Commemoration Moved From UK BOR to Foxearth Saints Peter & Paul Churchyard, Essex.

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GOODING, George Ernest

Serjeant  SE/29765

Army Veterinary Corps

Died 16.09.20  Age 43

 

Commemoration Moved From UK BOR to Greenwich Cemetery.

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Phil Evans
2 hours ago, chrisharley9 said:

GOODING, George Ernest

Serjeant  SE/29765

Army Veterinary Corps

Died 16.09.20  Age 43

 

Commemoration Moved From UK BOR to Greenwich Cemetery.

 

In a change from previous policy, the CWGC have accepted George's actual grave as the place of commemoration, rather than add him to the Screen Wall. His original headstone survives in the "conservation area" in the NW corner of the cemetery.

Grave Ref: 3 Con A.359

 

 

G E Gooding 04.01.18 crop.jpg

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chrisharley9

I personally have always disliked the use of screen walls where a known grave exists. Can understand it where in the case of a common grave where there are multiple burials of unrelated persons.

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Phil Evans

Chris,

That's what makes it different from their previous approach. This is a common grave, accomodating another ten, unrelated, civilian burials from September and October 1920.

As far as I am aware, despite there being over 200 WW1 graves in the two plots in this corner of the cemetery, CWGC has never commemorated them in-situ, including the 35-40 that originally had privately erected headstones.

Phil

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Don Regiano
7 hours ago, chrisharley9 said:

I personally have always disliked the use of screen walls where a known grave exists. Can understand it where in the case of a common grave where there are multiple burials of unrelated persons.

 

Pardon my ignorance in all this but could you explain what you mean by "screen walls"?  The reason I ask is that I am aware of a soldier who is commemorated at Thiepval.  However, he has a grave in England (he died after getting back to the UK).  He was accidentally shot when in the trenches, dying in July 1916.

 

What I am interested to know is that, if I were to persuade the CWGC that he did have a grave in the UK (the plot contains other members of his family and there is no CWGC commemoration) what, if anything would happen?  Specifically, would his name be removed from Thiepval and would the CWGC do anything in the UK?  I would not like the final position to be where he is not commemorated either in France or the UK.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Reg

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thetrenchrat22

Don 

 

who is the soldier is question. 

 

If you have details of the Grave and if he died in service, a copy of the death certificate.  

 

Then the cwgc would place a headstone if possible on the actual grave or nearby at least 

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Don Regiano

Thanks for the fast reply.

 

Unfortunately, I don't have access to my papers which contain all his details and won't be able to access them for a while.  he was actually a soldier that my wife was researching.  I will get back to you as soon as I can but it will be a little while.  We don't have a copy of his death certificate.  However, his papers contain several references associated with his death ... notes from medical officers, letters asking for the forwarding of effects, details for his death plaque, funeral arrangements etc.  He died in a military hospital around 3 months or so after his wounding.

 

I will be in touch.

 

Regards.

 

Reg

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chrisharley9

Hello Reg

 

Have already dealt with several cases where the casualty was listed on memorials to the missing abroad actually died in the UK & is buried here. It is a relatively simple process  as long as we have the evidence.

 

What happens with regard to the grave depends on the burial authority. In my experience the following could happen

 

a. If the grave has a private memorial which is in good order then this would be regarded as a fitting memorial. If not CWGC would ask permission to erect one of their headstones on the grave.

 

b. If the grave has no headstone then CWGC would ask permission to erect one of their headstones.

 

c. If the grave is a common grave then CWGC would either erect a special memorial in the cemetery or add the name to a screen wall commemoration if one exists. A special memorial for intents & purposes is a CWGC headstone, but will bear the words "Known to be buried in this cemetery".

 

https://www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery/cemetery/42100/greenwich-cemetery/ if you follow this link the photo on the page shows an example of a screen wall commemoration.

 

With regard to the memorial to the missing aboard the casualty's name would be moved from there to the new place of commemoration on the CWGC database. However physically the name would remain on the memorial until the panel was replaced.

 

No commemoration would ever disappear due to the process.

 

Just let me know what you want to do when you are ready.

 

Cheers

 

Chris 

On ‎12‎/‎02‎/‎2018 at 20:38, Phil Evans said:

 

In a change from previous policy, the CWGC have accepted George's actual grave as the place of commemoration, rather than add him to the Screen Wall. His original headstone survives in the "conservation area" in the NW corner of the cemetery.

Grave Ref: 3 Con A.359

 

 

G E Gooding 04.01.18 crop.jpg

 I think this has probably happened simply because there is a headstone on the grave.

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chrisharley9

A screen wall commemoration exists where the burial authority refuses to allow the erection of a headstone on a grave due to their policies with regard to common graves. By this I mean unpurchased graves.

 

 

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WILLETT, Arthur

Rifleman  52005

5 Bn, Rifle Brigade

Died 28.02.19  Age 21

 

Commemoration moved to Tower Hamlets Cemetery where his name will be added to the screen wall.  

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CASSIDY, Sarah

Member

Voluntary Aid Detachment

Died 08.11.18  Age 32

 

Commemoration Moved To Kilshany Cemetery, Co Clare.

Edited by chrisharley9

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CRILLY, Josephine Mary

Nurse

Voluntary Aid Detachment

Died 11.11.18  Age 36

 

Commemoration Moved To Clonmore Cemetery, Co Lough.

Edited by chrisharley9

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GENTLES, Thomas

Acting Serjeant  8513

5 Res. Bn, Cameronians (Scottish Rifles)

Died 03.01.17  Age 31

 

Commemoration moved to Glasgow Necropolis. He is to receive a CWGC headstone.

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