Casualty Lists Spreadsheet in Corps order

[Bardess]

10039	BEDFORD, Randall	1	West Yorks	11/03/15	Sick	Adm 2 Western Gen H Manchester	14198
242126	BURNHILL, John	1	West Yorks	12/08/18	SW Head, Arms and Hand L. Satisfactory	3 Aust CCS France	P 133380	Progress Report
8198	BYRNE, Felix	1	West Yorks	03/03/15	Varix	Dis to Convalescent Camp	13511 Cont'd
5893	ELKINGTON, John T	1	West Yorks	08/07/15	Wounded Slight	Adm Red Cross Relief H Springburn Glasgow	H 132	York R.O
18007	FEARN, G. F   ??? 21492 ???	1	West Yorks	08/07/15	Wounded Slight	Adm Red Cross Relief H Springburn Glasgow	H 132	York R.O
8638	FERGUSON, John	1	West Yorks	01/03/15	Not stated	Transferred to England		No. 1 Stationary Hospital, Rouen
20803	GARNETT, Leonard	1	West Yorks	12/08/18	GSW Chest Penetrating. Satisfactory	3 Aust CCS France	P 133380	Progress Report
8557	HARE, Lewis	1	West Yorks	08/02/15	NYD	Not stated	11273 Cont'd
5964	LAST, Frank	1	West Yorks	28/02/15	GSW Buttock R	Trans to Rouen	Not stated	No 4 Gen H Versailles
24828	LEAF, Harry	1	West Yorks	12/08/18	SW Hip L. Still Dang ill	3 Aust CCS France	P 133380	Progress Report
7504	SANDFORD, James	1	West Yorks	08/07/15	Sick	Adm Red Cross Relief H Springburn Glasgow	H 132	York R.O
20646	WALSHAW, Charles	1	West Yorks	12/08/18	SW Head. Still Dang ill	3 Aust CCS France	P 133380	Progress Report
3/10039	BEDFORD, Randall	2	West Yorks	11/03/15	Sick	Adm 2 Western General H, Manchester & affiliated hospitals	14198
10148	METCALFE, John	2	West Yorks	28/02/15	GSW Leg L	Trans to Rouen	Not stated	No 4 Gen H Versailles
307189	PARKIN, J	2	West Yorks	08/11/17	GSW Hand R	Adm Central Mil H Fort Pitt Chatham	HB 8794	No 2 R.O York
8842	RYE, James W	2	West Yorks	Not stated	Myalgia	Not stated	Not stated	Not stated
22346	SPENCE, George F	2	West Yorks	25/08/17	Wounded	Adm 2 Mil H Old Pk Canterbury	HB 7721	Territorial Force York R.O
9649	TOWNEND, Frank B	2	West Yorks	08/02/15	Myalgia	Trans to Rouen	11273 Cont'd
2164	STEAD, Edward	7	West Yorks	20/05/15	Sick	Adm 3 Southern Gen H Oxford ex HS Patrick, Dover	21893	Not stated
267993	WEATHERILL, Thomas	7	West Yorks	30/05/17	VAD Slight	Dis to Base Dtls ex 51 Gen H Etaples	HA 10097	Territorial Forces York R.O
4280	BRIGGS, Thomas H	8	West Yorks	06/07/16	Wounded	Adm Lord Derby War H Warrington	HB 505	Territorial Force York R.O
29272	BEDFORD, Harnelt	9	West Yorks	08/11/17	Wounded Serious	Adm 5 Southern Gen H Portsmouth	HB 8794	No 2 R.O York
11131	MCDONALD, Francis	9	West Yorks	09/11/17	Bronchitis	Adm Central Mil H Fort Pitt Chatham	HB 8794	No 2 R.O York
47191	SENIOR, Ernest	9	West Yorks	03/11/17	Carbuncle Shoulder L Mild	Adm 10 Con Dep Ecault ex 7 Con Dep	HA 15919	No 2 R.O York
25211	WINTERBURN, Fred	9	West Yorks	03/11/17	Infected Lymph Glands	Adm 10 Con Dep Ecault ex 7 Con Dep	HA 15919	No 2 R.O York
13033	STANDHAVEN, B	10	West Yorks	25/08/17	Sick	Adm 2 Mil H Old Pk Canterbury	HB 7721	Territorial Force York R.O
42337	WOOD, Ernest G	10	West Yorks	08/11/17	Wounded Severe	Adm 5 Southern Gen H Portsmouth	HB 8794	No 2 R.O York
36573	CRAVEN, Percy	11	West Yorks	24/08/17	GSW R Arm & L Leg	Adm Royal Victoria H Netley	HB 7721	Territorial Force York R.O
10591	HOLMES, William	12	West Yorks	30/05/17	Papilloma Slight	Adm 26 Gen H Etaples	HA 10097	Territorial Forces York R.O
20/7	POCOCK, Arthur E	12	West Yorks	03/11/17	GSW Forearm	Adm 10 Con Dep Ecault ex 7 Con Dep	HA 15919	No 2 R.O York
42513	POWELL, Kenneth J	12	West Yorks	31/10/17	Wounded. Gas Poisoning	Adm Mil H, Eastleigh	HB 8666	No 2 R.O York
220117	CLEMENTS, Albert E	13	West Yorks	30/05/17	Ringworm Slight	Adm 26 Gen H Etaples	HA 10097	Territorial Forces York R.O
60965	CHEETHAM, Ernest	15	West Yorks	11/08/18	Shell Gas Poison. Died 11:30am	2 Aust CCS France	P 133380	Progress Report
62067	DARWEN, William Stratford	15	West Yorks	11/08/18	Shell Gas Poison. Died 11:20am	2 Aust CCS France	P 133380	Progress Report
62082	FOSTER, Francis Joseph	15	West Yorks	11/08/18	Shell Gas Poison. Died 4:25am	2 Aust CCS France	P 133380	Progress Report
43542	WRIGHT, John George	15	West Yorks	12/08/18	Shell Gas Poison. Died 9:15am	2 Aust CCS France	P 133380	Progress Report

 

 

[Glynis]

Wow, thank you, I am just new to this site, and I have just  found out that my gt, gt, uncle Frank Elliott, Royal Irish Rifles, died of multiple shell wounds in Casualty Clearing Station 10 in France.  Is there any way I can find out about his 2 brothers?  Joshua Elliott 17602 13th Bat R.Irish Rifles died 4.8.17 and William Elliott, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers, 8252, died 26.8.14

 

Once again, many thanks for this information

 

Glynis

[Bardess]

Hi @Glynis

Very pleased you've found your GGU on this site. His entry came from a Casualty List which was found, luckily, in an unrelated Service Record and I attach it for you. Have you checked Ancestry/FMP for your other GGUs records?

 

 

[Glynis]

Thank you very much, I have literally just started these searches, I have some information, from sites, but to see this is just amazing.

Once again thank you

[Andrew Marshall]

Hello Diane

Wonderful research but also really intriguing - where did the casualty list come from - do you have a reference?

 

I am researching Private 9235 Frederick Lewis Guenigault (and probably many other variations of that name!) 1st Bn, Middlesex Regiment - he appears on your list for 2 Aug 1917

 

Kind regards

Andrew

 

 

 

 

[Bardess]

Hi Andrew
The Casualty Lists [info collated by Record Offices] were typed up on the back of various sheets of paper from service records as there was a shortage of paper. Not all have been found unfortunately. Here is the list

 

[Andrew Marshall]

Thank you Diane

[HistoryGuyPaul]

Sorry - first post - Great Resource! I've noticed 7794 John Cameron is listed with GSW - can you advise which casualty list this is from (?Hamilton) - and where a copy can be sourced from?

Many thanks

Paul

[Bardess]

Hi Paul and welcome. Here is the list

 

[HistoryGuyPaul]

Thank you so much. I’m assisting a friend with some research and this will be a much appreciated part of the jigsaw (they did not know cause of death). I guess one would have to trawl through other notices to see an admission date? - or would it be safe to assume date of injury and death were the same…

 

very much appreciated

Paul

[TEW]

The diary for the ADMS at Etaples base gives much the same details.

Courtesy of TNA

Date of death is almost certainly not going to be the same as the date of injury. The evacuation process from the front line back to Etaples is unlikely to be less than 24 hours and could be 2-3 days. Some men may DOW weeks after injury.

You could try the diary for No. 1 Canadian GH, they may report his death again but probably not his admission. These are free at present, just need to register with them.

There's also the diary for 1/RSF, you could work backwards from 10/6/15. Only a very slim chance he would be mentioned.

There is the 'Casualty List' topic which currently runs to 74 pages and has probably around 6000 lists similar to the 25323 above. Most originate from service files. Findmypast have indexed a great deal of names/numbers from the lists and they have done so with 7794 Cameron, search FMP and you'll find the above list. which is actually one of the rarer ones on the reverse of the Silver War Badge Rolls and not in a service file.

FMP have done a good job indexing these lists but no one's perfect, there are lots of original errors, transcription errors, some lists are only partially indexed and there seem to be plenty of lists not indexed at all.

So, there is a slim chance you may find an admission for 7794 Cameron on one of these lists that has been missed by FMP.

The problem at present is that the 6000 ish lists are in a random order, many have started with good intentions of trawling the lists but by page 10 it becomes quite a task.

Have a look at at page 26 as an example.

I started to sort the lists into chronological order but admit I'm now six pages behind. I can take a look later at what I've done so far for April/May/June 1915.

TEW

 

[David Ulke]

Hello and thank you so much for this. HistoryGuyPaul made the inquiry on my behalf. John Cameron was my Great Grandfather, and I have recently secured the reissue of his medals from Innsworth (they had been returned by my Great Grandmother shortly after issue and annotated as such on his medal card). Really looking to piece his story together ahead of a family pilgrimage to his grave at Etaples. Nobody in the family was fully apprised, so nobody has paid their respects yet.

[TEW]

David,

I have checked the April-June 1915 lists and there are no more entries there. It's possible he could still turn up on a list that's not been found yet but the chances are very slim.

The 6000 ish lists found so far is impressive but it does look like they're a small selection of the original lists.

Regarding his medals, you say they were returned by your Great Grandmother. Some medals were returned by grieving families but I don't believe that's the case here. The MIC is annotated with King's Regulation 992 which states:

Medals which, at the end of one year, still remain unclaimed, will be sent to the Secretary, The War Office

There are various reasons given for medals being unclaimed, normally it's stated to be a postal delivery issue as a signature was required. If the family had moved, the medals were returned to the Records Office (Hamilton) who returned them to AG10 Medal Office.

I also think that in many cases the Records Office would not send out the medals if they already knew the address they had on record was defunct. In which case they held on them until returning them to AG 10.

In situations where a relative returned medals as not wanted this is usually annotated on the MIC and would not come under a King's Regulation.

I think the present re-issue of medals can only be granted where the MIC has KR 992 or KR 1723. If the MIC was annotated 'returned by family, not wanted' I doubt they'd re-issue.

It may be that Great Grandmother simply refused to enter into correspondance about the medals on the same grounds as not wanting them but this would lead to the KR 992 in the same way as not having her address.

In cases of those deceased there can sometimes be issues regarding who was the eligible NOK. I can't see a will but presumably he must have made one.

You can sometimes find medal issue problems where parents or wife believe they should have the medals whereas they've been left to someone else.

The records office like to make sure everything is done legally but I have seen correspondance regarding early medals going to a wife and parents trying to claim the later ones. In one case the record office demanded the return of medals to be correctly issued, threats of military police knocking on the door solved that problem.

Good to hear you got replacements though.

TEW

[Bardess]

Isn't it wonderful when rellies and friends drop by and find these lists Makes my heart happy. Welcome David and thanks TEW

Here he is on CWGC database

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/499681/j-cameron/

[David Ulke]

44 minutes ago, TEW said:

David,

I have checked the April-June 1915 lists and there are no more entries there. It's possible he could still turn up on a list that's not been found yet but the chances are very slim.

The 6000 ish lists found so far is impressive but it does look like they're a small selection of the original lists.

Regarding his medals, you say they were returned by your Great Grandmother. Some medals were returned by grieving families but I don't believe that's the case here. The MIC is annotated with King's Regulation 992 which states:

Medals which, at the end of one year, still remain unclaimed, will be sent to the Secretary, The War Office

There are various reasons given for medals being unclaimed, normally it's stated to be a postal delivery issue as a signature was required. If the family had moved, the medals were returned to the Records Office (Hamilton) who returned them to AG10 Medal Office.

I also think that in many cases the Records Office would not send out the medals if they already knew the address they had on record was defunct. In which case they held on them until returning them to AG 10.

In situations where a relative returned medals as not wanted this is usually annotated on the MIC and would not come under a King's Regulation.

I think the present re-issue of medals can only be granted where the MIC has KR 992 or KR 1723. If the MIC was annotated 'returned by family, not wanted' I doubt they'd re-issue.

It may be that Great Grandmother simply refused to enter into correspondance about the medals on the same grounds as not wanting them but this would lead to the KR 992 in the same way as not having her address.

In cases of those deceased there can sometimes be issues regarding who was the eligible NOK. I can't see a will but presumably he must have made one.

You can sometimes find medal issue problems where parents or wife believe they should have the medals whereas they've been left to someone else.

The records office like to make sure everything is done legally but I have seen correspondance regarding early medals going to a wife and parents trying to claim the later ones. In one case the record office demanded the return of medals to be correctly issued, threats of military police knocking on the door solved that problem.

Good to hear you got replacements though.

TEW

Ah! Well thanks again for deciphering the medal card codes! I had assumed she refused them.