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215 Squadron Handley Page 16-17 September 1918

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Hi all, 

 

Can anyone give me any more information on the 16-17 September Handley Page O/400 raid chronicled in Jones, Vol. VI, pp. 147-148 and Henshaw (2nd ed.), p. 221. Directions to other books that cover the raid would be most useful. Jones is pretty vague about the targets and does not say which machines were going where, only stating they were destined for Cologne and Mannheim, which are a great distance a part. Also Jones states that one machine was brought down with its bombs still on board and that a curious spectator set one off killing eight onlookers. Could this be D4566 (Henshaw)?

 

I'm looking at this because of my interest in Herbert Ernest Hyde (NZ) who was on his first operation with the squadron and was captured.

 

Any help greatly appreciated.

 

Adam

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nieuport11

There are statements from the crew of C9727 who landed in Holland:

'On the night of the 16th September we left the aerodrome on HP C9727 for a raid on Cologne carrying 16 112lb bombs...On reaching the outskirts of the city of Bonn at 9:50pm the port engine cut out and as we were then being subjected to gunfire it is probable that the engine had been hit. Observing a railway line running in from the NW of the city we dropped out bombs on it. At this time our altimeter registered 6000ft. We then turned and steered for home. After 35 minutes the altimeter registered 4000ft and our headway was very small....We then altered course for Holland. At 1.30am on the 17th inst. we landed at Oosterhout near Breda and fired the machine. We were taken in charge by the Dutch military and later in the day sent to the Hague where we are now interned.'

Fisher/Oakley/Locke

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Adam,

The most informative resource for the Independent Air Force operations and personnel is the book by Keith Rennles,

"Independent Force: The War Diary of the Daylight Bomber Squadrons of the Independent Air Force, 6 June to 11 November 1918,"

published by Grub Street in 2003.

Josquin

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17 hours ago, nieuport11 said:

There are statements from the crew of C9727 who landed in Holland:

'On the night of the 16th September we left the aerodrome on HP C9727 for a raid on Cologne carrying 16 112lb bombs...On reaching the outskirts of the city of Bonn at 9:50pm the port engine cut out and as we were then being subjected to gunfire it is probable that the engine had been hit. Observing a railway line running in from the NW of the city we dropped out bombs on it. At this time our altimeter registered 6000ft. We then turned and steered for home. After 35 minutes the altimeter registered 4000ft and our headway was very small....We then altered course for Holland. At 1.30am on the 17th inst. we landed at Oosterhout near Breda and fired the machine. We were taken in charge by the Dutch military and later in the day sent to the Hague where we are now interned.'

Fisher/Oakley/Locke

Thanks Nieuport11, very helpful.

 

1 hour ago, josquin said:

Adam,

The most informative resource for the Independent Air Force operations and personnel is the book by Keith Rennles,

"Independent Force: The War Diary of the Daylight Bomber Squadrons of the Independent Air Force, 6 June to 11 November 1918,"

published by Grub Street in 2003.

Josquin

 

Josquin,

Is there an equivalent night bomber version? It looks like this only covers the daylight bomber squadrons.

Cheers,

Adam

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Dolphin

Adam

 

If you haven't already done so, you could have a look at Bloody Paralyser by Rob Langham, ISBN 978 1 78155 080 9.  There's a chapter about the loss of ten Handley Pages on the night of 16-17 September 1918.

 

I hope this helps you.

 

Gareth

 

 

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18 hours ago, Dolphin said:

Adam

 

If you haven't already done so, you could have a look at Bloody Paralyser by Rob Langham, ISBN 978 1 78155 080 9.  There's a chapter about the loss of ten Handley Pages on the night of 16-17 September 1918.

 

I hope this helps you.

 

Gareth

 

 

 

Hi Gareth,

 

I was not aware of this, many thanks will get a copy.

 

Many thanks,

 

Adam

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94avenge

Chaz Bowyer's Handley Page Bombers of the First World War is another useful reference, published back in 1992 but second hand copies are still out there.

 

Ian

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Hi Ian, will follow up with this. Cheers, Adam

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Loader

Good luck with the BOWYER book. Here in the US it took me 4 tries over 2 yrs to get a copy through Interlibrary Loan. But worth it in the end.

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Garrie215

Check out the mini biography of Hyde in IWM Lives of the First World War.  He was a member of 215 Squadron based at Xaffévillers Aerodrome.  During August and September, aircraft losses were large and casualties reached 120%

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On ‎22‎/‎12‎/‎2016 at 01:06, josquin said:

Adam,

The most informative resource for the Independent Air Force operations and personnel is the book by Keith Rennles,

"Independent Force: The War Diary of the Daylight Bomber Squadrons of the Independent Air Force, 6 June to 11 November 1918,"

published by Grub Street in 2003.

Josquin

When will we see a volume on the night bombers ? [please ! ]

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