trajan Posted 23 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 23 December , 2018 Yes, another W/16, so just within the range for unit-making. Pistols often seem to be marked much later. I'll try to find the relevant regulation - a reminder - to stop making weapons. Off the top of my head I think it was late summer 1915... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Haselgrove Posted 24 December , 2018 Share Posted 24 December , 2018 Julian, I see that your interest in WM S98/05s remains unabated! Anyway, I attach a couple of photos of one in my collection which, as you can hopefully see, is poorly marked as far as the year of manufacture is concerned. Perhaps you will have a look and give me your opinion as to the year? In the meantime, I do hope you and your family have a very happy Christmas and new year. Michael. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 25 December , 2018 Author Share Posted 25 December , 2018 (edited) On 24/12/2018 at 15:34, Michael Haselgrove said: Julian, I see that your interest in WM S98/05s remains unabated! Anyway, I attach a couple of photos of one in my collection which, as you can hopefully see, is poorly marked as far as the year of manufacture is concerned. Perhaps you will have a look and give me your opinion as to the year? In the meantime, I do hope you and your family have a very happy Christmas and new year. Michael. Hello Michael - and a very merry Christmas to you also! Yes, I am still working away on the dear WFM 98/05's in-between my official duties, and learning a little bit more about them every - well, 6-12 months it seems! The link Amberg sent to me (above no. 19) was certainly an eye-opener, in revealing documentary evidence these were contracted out to “Unionwerk Mea G.m.b.H. Elektrotechnishe Fabrik Eisenwerk” - somebody had told me they were contracted out but I cannot remember who that was - and that production may have started as early as Spring 1915; also in showing a WFM 98/05 with high ears and a flash guard! While replying I see that you have just posted again on this thread, and so a quick note on yours - the dash between MAUSER-A.G. is characteristic for W/15, which would fit, but also for 1916. Doesn't occur on the W/17 and the W/18. But, what a well-worn specimen! Best wishes, Julian PS: Oh, the note of a post from you was a false alarm - referred to yours above, no. 26. Anyway, I am still patiently trying to assemble data on these WFM's and so a call to arms will go out soon, I hope, once all university work is off my desk! JB Edited 25 December , 2018 by trajan add PS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donbogen Posted 12 February , 2019 Share Posted 12 February , 2019 Here s my 2 mauser made bayonets Sawback 1917 Sawback removed 1916 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donbogen Posted 12 February , 2019 Share Posted 12 February , 2019 I will post more and better pics soon Donbogen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donbogen Posted 12 February , 2019 Share Posted 12 February , 2019 Heres sawback before tarnish on blade was removed by a swordsmith sadly no longer with us April 1917 sawback production ceased Jan 1918 Sawback removal comenced more to follow Donbogen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 12 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 12 February , 2019 Goodie-goodie - and with MWF scabbards as well! Note the dash in the MAUSER-A.G. on that last scabbard - this is similar to the blade marking on some 1915 and 1916 made WFM's, which suggests it may be the same era... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 12 February , 2019 Share Posted 12 February , 2019 1 minute ago, trajan said: Goodie-goodie - and with MWF scabbards as well! Note the dash in the MAUSER-A.G. on that last scabbard - this is similar to the blade marking on some 1915 and 1916 made WFM's, which suggests it may be the same era... 1 minute ago, trajan said: Goodie-goodie - and with MWF scabbards as well! Note the dash in the MAUSER-A.G. on that last scabbard - this is similar to the blade marking on some 1915 and 1916 made WFM's, which suggests it may be the same era... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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trajan Posted 13 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 13 February , 2019 Thanks D. - that marking on the W/16 in post 33 is exactly what I mean. And that one above in post 34 is an eye-opener - only the second 98/05 W/18 I have seen with a unit mark! Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 20 February , 2019 Share Posted 20 February , 2019 Julian Another one 98/05 unit marked for you with your favorite date... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 20 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 20 February , 2019 (edited) Dimitrios! You are spoiling me! Not affecting my data too much, but a significant addition! Another W/18! So, three now... By the way, I have been promised a research associate this semester - have warned him lots of boring data to go through, but with all your excellent contributions, plus those of others over the past year, things about unit marking will - I hope - see a change in the next year or two! Many thanks, yet again Julian Edited 20 February , 2019 by trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 30 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 30 May , 2019 FINALLY! Been looking for one of these 98/05 sawback removed for ages and now have one - and a W/fabrik to boot. Haven't cleaned up the blade spine yet so I don't know what year, but it is a odd ricasso stamp - looks to be missing an 'I' from the 'FABRIK' part, so reads 'FABRK'. The rest of the stamp is ok. Crossed my mind it was a fake, especially as the blade point has been rounded - but who would fake a sawback removed? And it does 'feel' right - and I have handled a fair few of these by now! So, more research needed there... But in the meantime.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 30 May , 2019 Share Posted 30 May , 2019 Congratulations! Another one off the want-list. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 31 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 May , 2019 Thanks! In theory, just a 98/02 needed now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 1 June , 2019 Share Posted 1 June , 2019 Hey Julian I know of a 98/05 been for sale for awhile, has Turkish marks on guard, but is still full length, would you consider that pretty scarce? Have you seen many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 1 June , 2019 Author Share Posted 1 June , 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Steve1871 said: Hey Julian I know of a 98/05 been for sale for awhile, has Turkish marks on guard, but is still full length, would you consider that pretty scarce? Have you seen many? Full length with Turkish markings is scarce, yes! The S.71. Contact .... Oops! Not supposed to advertise here! Sorry MODS - and Steve have PM'd you. Edited 1 June , 2019 by trajan Delete link to dealer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 1 June , 2019 Share Posted 1 June , 2019 Thanks for the help Julian! You have an idea on my odd ball bayonet by the Werder bayonet? Came as a set of rifle/sling/bayonet/scabbard/frog was many years ago, he had a " few". Really wish I had bought all of them, they were cheap , I know them, just want to see if you can. It a short but interesting story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 1 June , 2019 Share Posted 1 June , 2019 Almost forgot, have you checked with Mr. Harry Gordon, to get rid of that guy that's been gouging you for years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 1 June , 2019 Author Share Posted 1 June , 2019 7 minutes ago, Steve1871 said: Almost forgot, have you checked with Mr. Harry Gordon, to get rid of that guy that's been gouging you for years? Not yet. Too poor to buy anything right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 1 June , 2019 Share Posted 1 June , 2019 A professor in Archaeology of Roman History, Sounds like another " Indiana Jones" , British Style with a Roman theam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 22 July , 2019 Share Posted 22 July , 2019 This is my example found digging through my grandparents basement. I don't know much about these but you all seem pretty knowledgeable about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 2 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 2 August , 2019 (edited) On 23/07/2019 at 00:11, k102493 said: This is my example found digging through my grandparents basement. I don't know much about these but you all seem pretty knowledgeable about them. Hi k102493! Welcome to the GWForum! Yes, this is a pretty standard example, the 1917 version being the most common year for these. What is uncommon about your granddad's, though, is the serial number 3376(or 8?) on the ricasso. I know of some 10-20 bayonets marked this way and I think they may indicate use by the Bavarians - but can't prove it! Trajan Edited 2 August , 2019 by trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakysk Posted 22 February , 2020 Share Posted 22 February , 2020 Hello everyone, searching for information about the 98/05 bayonet, I got few weeks ago, brought me here. Bayonet is missing one grip, but overall it is in good condition. No unit markings and (I guess) 'typical' stamps. Can anyone clarify what stamp 'N' on cross guard stands for? Any good online source for original grip(s) to purchase? Here are few pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 22 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 22 February , 2020 4 hours ago, rakysk said: Hello everyone, searching for information about the 98/05 bayonet, I got few weeks ago, brought me here. Bayonet is missing one grip, but overall it is in good condition. No unit markings and (I guess) 'typical' stamps. Can anyone clarify what stamp 'N' on cross guard stands for? Any good online source for original grip(s) to purchase? Here are few pictures. Hi, And welcome to the GWForum! Not a bad looking example, despite the poor (recent?) sharpening and missing grip. The letter 'N' and the number '3' on the 'muzzle rest' are thought to be individual factory inspectors' marks, although I have not seen that 'N' before. There again, over 1 million of these bayonets were made and so nothing susrprises me much about these ones! There is some guy in Poland(?) who ocassionally advertises grips for sale on e-bay and you might try there. What does interest me about this one is that WAFFENFABRIK started producing these bayonets just before July-September 1915, when orders were issued to fit the Schutzbleche or protective sheet on the grips, and so yours is after then. However, the particular style of maker's mark on yours - the slash between the 'MAUSER' and the 'A.G.' is more commonly found on WAFFENFABRIK bayonets made in 1916. So, this one, with its 1915 date, looks to have been made quite late in that year. Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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