MotherMave Posted 6 November , 2016 Share Posted 6 November , 2016 Hi, The soldier below was said, on the local WW1 Roll of Honour for Llandyrnog, to have drowned at sea, but as he was a driver in the Army I feel there has to be a story why he drowned, he was with the Horse Transport Depot, I wondered if there had been an accident getting the horses off a ship, but no ship is mentioned, or was the ship torpedoed? On his CWGC Certificate the Cemetery has this ... " Most of the burials were made from the Alexandria hospitals, but a number of graves of December 1917 troop transports "Aragon" and "Osmanieh" which were sunk by torpedo and mine as they entered the port." However the date doesn't coincide. Commonwealth War Graves Commission WILLIAMS, DAVID Rank:Driver Service No:T4/058348 Date of Death:02/06/1917 Age:29 Regiment/Service:Army Service Corps Base Horse Transport Depot Grave Reference: D. 140. Cemetery:ALEXANDRIA (HADRA) WAR MEMORIAL CEMETERY Additional Information: Son of Edward and Jane Williams, of Llandynog, Denbigh. Any help would be very much appreciated, many thanks in advance. Regards, Mavis Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeClarke Posted 6 November , 2016 Share Posted 6 November , 2016 (edited) Hi Doesn't help much but SDGW has 'died'. He was drafted to Egypt on 5 April 1915, MiC says 'died'. http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1262/30850_A001686-01849?pid=5680706&backurl=//search.ancestry.co.uk//cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DtfO48%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26db%3DMedalRolls%26gss%3Dangs-d%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26msT%3D1%26_F8007A65%3DT4/058348%26MSAV%3D1%26uidh%3Dya4%26pcat%3D39%26fh%3D1%26h%3D5680706%26recoff%3D55%2056%26ml_rpos%3D2&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=tfO48&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true Osmanieh was later, see here Regards, Graeme Edited 6 November , 2016 by GraemeClarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T8HANTS Posted 6 November , 2016 Share Posted 6 November , 2016 Whilst researching the 8th Hant's they had three members drown during their time in the Middle East, all were whilst on recreational bathing parades. All three incidents were mentioned in the War Diary, the W.D. might give a clue for your man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 6 November , 2016 Share Posted 6 November , 2016 (edited) Mavis, This man may have drowned when the Cameronian was sunk by UC34 while she was carrying mules There is a thread here where the ship is mentioned in post No.2 and there may be other threads on this ship if you search in the Ships & Navies section Edited 6 November , 2016 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 6 November , 2016 Share Posted 6 November , 2016 Hi Mavis, Michael is correct. He's on a list of men (you can see in a record on FMP) previously reported as missing, subsequently reported as drowned on the Cameronian. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 6 November , 2016 Share Posted 6 November , 2016 From the Naval History Net CAMERONIAN, 5,861grt, defensively-armed, 2 June 1917, 50 miles NW by N ¼ N from Alexandria, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 11 lives lost including Master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 6 November , 2016 Share Posted 6 November , 2016 I think the 11 men noted must refer to the crew that were lost, as the list on FMP has the names of 50 ASC men Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 6 November , 2016 Share Posted 6 November , 2016 Chris, thanks for the clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherMave Posted 6 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 6 November , 2016 Thank you so much Michael and Chris, also Graeme and T8Hants, who replied, it looks as though it would be the Cameronian, sadly I am not on FMP but on Ancestry. I am trying to tell David's story for the Village and would like to know more, do you know of any other source where David's name might be mentioned? I am so grateful for the help I always get on this forum. Kindest regards, Mavis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherMave Posted 6 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 6 November , 2016 So Sorry Oliver, I didn't mention you, my sincere apologies and I have just realized you helped me with another mystery - the Mary Ann Mandle and the Mary Sinclair and the UB-57., March 1918. I am so grateful and sorry about my carelessness! Regards, Mavis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 6 November , 2016 Share Posted 6 November , 2016 (edited) The effects records just state he died "At Sea (Egypt)" 28 months qualifying service at time of death. Effects paid to his father, Edward. Craig Edited 6 November , 2016 by ss002d6252 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kath Posted 6 November , 2016 Share Posted 6 November , 2016 I've trawled the papers on FMP - only a short report from the Admiralty of the sinking is given. Kath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenmorrison Posted 6 November , 2016 Share Posted 6 November , 2016 There are a least two pre-war histories for the SS Cameronian but the sinking fully detailed here http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/761-torpedoed-vessel-any-suggestions/ Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherMave Posted 7 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 7 November , 2016 Thank you so much for replying Kath and Ken, the link you gave me was so helpful. Many thanks again both. Kind regards, Mavis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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