RaySearching Posted 2 November , 2016 Share Posted 2 November , 2016 (edited) The following indicates that Owen was residing in Grimsby at the time unfortunately no age is given there may be something in a local Grimsby newspaper unfortunately I cannot find one in the newspaper archives regards Ray Edited 2 November , 2016 by RaySearching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 2 November , 2016 Share Posted 2 November , 2016 (edited) (unscientifically) Taking a quick look at the 1911 Irish Census and discounting the ones either too young or who appear to have died at a later date leaves: Kinsella Owen Croghan, Middle Coolgreany Wexford 10 MKinsella Owen Ballyhow, Middle,Ardcavan Wexford 11 M Got married in 1935 Kinsella Owen Tigroney East Cronebane Wicklow 28 M Kinsella Owen Monawilling, Lower Bolaboy Wexford 15 MKinsella Owen Killeagh Commons Dunmurry Kildare 40 M Labourer all his life so probably less likely to turn to life at sea. Craig Edited 2 November , 2016 by ss002d6252 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 2 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 2 November , 2016 Thanks Craig, the newspaper article I hoped would show his age, such is life, but it does say he was from Grimsby I suppose. I tried the Census but could not find any Owen Kinsella's with a maritime connection. Thanks again Craig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 2 November , 2016 Share Posted 2 November , 2016 25 minutes ago, museumtom said: Thanks Craig, the newspaper article I hoped would show his age, such is life, but it does say he was from Grimsby I suppose. I tried the Census but could not find any Owen Kinsella's with a maritime connection. Thanks again Craig! He was working out of Grimsby but no sign he was from Grimbsy (nothing on the English Census) - at the time Grimsby was one of the world's biggest fishing ports so men came from all over. I'm sure he's one of the men on Irish Census but as to which one ? It would need the death cert to say for certain Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little bob Posted 2 November , 2016 Share Posted 2 November , 2016 Deaths at sea 1781 - 1968. Owen Kinsella. Last place of abode Mission, Riby Square Grimsby. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 2 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 2 November , 2016 On your suggestion I had a look for an Irish death cert and found only one Owen Kinsella, he was a farmer and died of paralysis. It was worth a try though! Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 2 November , 2016 Share Posted 2 November , 2016 (edited) It dont help one bit But he is commemorated in the Grimsby United Methodist Church on the Fisherman's Chapel Memorial (as Kensall ) LINK HERE additional Link Ray Edited 2 November , 2016 by RaySearching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 2 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 2 November , 2016 Thank you kindly RaySearcher, one more piece of the jigsaw. Much appreciated. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 2 November , 2016 Share Posted 2 November , 2016 Registry of Shipping and Seamen Ship: Stirling; Official number: 109801 Owen Kinsella; rank/rating, 2nd Engineer; age, (not stated); place of birth, (not stated); previous ship, (not stated) Hope this helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 2 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 2 November , 2016 Thanks IPT, it was worth a try. It made me smile if anything. Kindest regards and thank you again. Tom/. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 2 November , 2016 Share Posted 2 November , 2016 4 minutes ago, museumtom said: Thanks IPT, it was worth a try. It made me smile if anything. Kindest regards and thank you again. Tom/. Not having much look at the minute Tom. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 2 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 2 November , 2016 I applaud helping hands, it makes the world go around y'know. Cheers. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 2 November , 2016 Share Posted 2 November , 2016 24 minutes ago, museumtom said: I applaud helping hands, it makes the world go around y'know. Cheers. Tom. We keep it quiet but we secretly like the challenge Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 2 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 2 November , 2016 (edited) Yourself and all the pals on this forum never let me down yet! Cheers. Tom. Edited 2 November , 2016 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 2 November , 2016 Share Posted 2 November , 2016 There's always a first time This might be it regards Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 2 November , 2016 Share Posted 2 November , 2016 What's the Dublin connection, Tom? Is he the man born c1881, who lived at 48 Sir John Rogerson Quay, father James, who had several attempts at military life but was found to be "incorrigible and worthless"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 2 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 2 November , 2016 Hello IPT, Thanks for trying again. He could be but I cannot link him. I dont have an address, or place of birth or his age so I cannot say if you man is the same. He has a photograph in the Evening Herald that says he went missing after joining the trawlers at Grimsby, then was supposed to go on Mine Sweepers, he previously lived in Dublin and his brother was in the army. Not a single solid fact that can nail him down. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 2 November , 2016 Share Posted 2 November , 2016 1 hour ago, IPT said: ...had several attempts at military life but was found to be "incorrigible and worthless"? So much for strengths... What about the weak points in his CV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 2 November , 2016 Share Posted 2 November , 2016 12 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: So much for strengths... What about the weak points in his CV? Gonorrhea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 2 November , 2016 Share Posted 2 November , 2016 OK, What about his interview technique? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 3 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 3 November , 2016 Thank you lads and lassies. His brother (unnamed) was badly wounded at the Aisne while serving with the Royal Irish Fusiliers. There were two Dublin men killed with the Royal Irish Fusiliers. They were Christopher, 43107, and Patrick, 20602 It did not say if his brother died or not, or his first name. I may come across him again in the future as I got through the Herald. I am up to October 1915 and have not found any more about them. KInd regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 3 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 3 November , 2016 The Irish Newspaper Archive's images are terrible. I reckon they just copied the pages the best way to read text and ignore images, as you can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 3 November , 2016 Share Posted 3 November , 2016 (edited) So, we know he had a brother discharged from the RI Rifles by the point the article was written in 1915 - if he got a SWB: #7710 Michael Kinsella, discharged 30 May 15 with wounds. (Enlisted 1904 - so born circa 1886 if aged 18 ?) #7/1227 Kinsella, discharged June 17 with wounds. If the brother is Michael, and he is the younger brother, then this would suggest Owen was born pre 1886. EDIT: The only Michael Kinsella on the 1911 Military census was born 1886 in Dublin (serving with 1st RIR in Burma). Craig Edited 3 November , 2016 by ss002d6252 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 3 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 3 November , 2016 Wow Craig, I think you are on to something there. I never thought of the SWB Roll, Well done! Its hard to believe you found 20 possibilities from so little information. Now we have a number. Fantastic Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 3 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 3 November , 2016 I looked up Michael Kinsella born in Dublin, aged 15 in the Census, 1901 with a brother Owen without success. 'If the brother is Michael, and he is the younger brother, then this would suggest Owen was born pre 1886.' I like your thinking. Looking up birth certs pre 1888 for Owen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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