museumtom Posted 20 September , 2016 Author Share Posted 20 September , 2016 Whaddya think of these two items I just found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 20 September , 2016 Share Posted 20 September , 2016 So Patrick Dooley was last seen alive in London in August 1916 when he bought a railway ticket from Euston to presumably Holyhead? But it's not known that he ever made that journey? What is the card that you posted Tom? is it an Probate Index card? I can't find him in the Probate registry (London) for 1916. And no civilian deaths listed for Patrick Dooley until 1918 (age 44, Pontypridd - so not him). What is the date and source of the newspaper cuttings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 20 September , 2016 Author Share Posted 20 September , 2016 Thank you Dai. Newspaper clippings are 04/05/1918, The Irish Independent. The card is a Probate card for Tuam. The date at that time (and still now ) was unknown. Its not looking good, but fingers crossed! Imagine solving a 100 year old riddle, now that would be something. Kind regards. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 20 September , 2016 Share Posted 20 September , 2016 So he was presumed dead after going missing - either dying en-route or decided to disappear and never go back. This one might be an unsolvable one. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 20 September , 2016 Author Share Posted 20 September , 2016 There is a lot in what you say Craig, some of these lads just cannot be found, thanks for trying anyway old man!! Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 20 September , 2016 Author Share Posted 20 September , 2016 Just when you think you covered all the angles, you try and see if he had in fact survived the war and we have;- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 20 September , 2016 Share Posted 20 September , 2016 (edited) Well well well!! Where do you find these cases Tom? I'm no expert on Irish Geography, but Woodlawn and Grannagh are both in Co.Galway but about (without consulting any internet references at all, honest!) 20.1 miles away. I wonder what the story is. The Ballinasloe Mental Hospital would fit into a disappearance story very nicely. If it is indeed him..... how did his parents explain the premature probate away? I wonder if there are surviving hospital admission records that would give a date for admission/ I suspect though there's probably something like a 100 year rule governing their release though. Edited 20 September , 2016 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 20 September , 2016 Author Share Posted 20 September , 2016 Beats me Dai, I'd say there is a great story in there somewhere, and do you know something? my Uncle used to work in the Ballinasloe Mental Hospital. He died long ago otherwise he would be a zillion years old! Kind regards. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 20 September , 2016 Author Share Posted 20 September , 2016 Where do I find them? mostly in the regional and local papers, just snippets with vague information, tantalising the ould brain. This lad above I found in the probates from 1914 to 1920, I am presently going through. Its surprising the amount of missing lads are in there that need a bit of tweaking to find their story and then add them. Otherwise they would be forgotten and that would be a crime. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 20 September , 2016 Share Posted 20 September , 2016 5 minutes ago, museumtom said: Otherwise they would be forgotten and that would be a crime. As would be claiming probate on the estate of someone who wasn't yet dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 20 September , 2016 Author Share Posted 20 September , 2016 Darn tootin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 20 September , 2016 Share Posted 20 September , 2016 2 hours ago, museumtom said: Just when you think you covered all the angles, you try and see if he had in fact survived the war and we have;- I wonder how long after probate it was that they found he was actually alive. I'm waiting for a reply from CWGC re a man who was declared dead but had actually deserted and (apparently) made a home run from France. He was caught out in 1930 when his co-deserter appeared in a Sunday paper with the story and the Ministry of Pensions checked it out. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 20 September , 2016 Author Share Posted 20 September , 2016 Strange times Craig, strange times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 22 September , 2016 Author Share Posted 22 September , 2016 Another mystery man. James Holohan, Pte No 6346, Leinsters, died after discharge (discharged on 22/08/1917, Probate granted 15/02/1918, no death cert found, discharged to 28 Cavandish Road, Chingford, Essex. age at death 36, enlisted at Birr in 1901. Born in 1881. Son of Mary Holohan, brother of Christopher, John and Catherine, of Main Street, Maryborough, Queen's County. Can you throw any light on this please. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 22 September , 2016 Share Posted 22 September , 2016 33 minutes ago, museumtom said: Another mystery man. James Holohan, Pte No 6346, Leinsters, died after discharge (discharged on 22/08/1917, Probate granted 15/02/1918, no death cert found, discharged to 28 Cavandish Road, Chingford, Essex. age at death 36, enlisted at Birr in 1901. Born in 1881. Son of Mary Holohan, brother of Christopher, John and Catherine, of Main Street, Maryborough, Queen's County. Can you throw any light on this please. Kind regards. Tom. Tom, Do you suppose he's the James Holohan who died in Bradford district in the December quarter of 1917? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 22 September , 2016 Author Share Posted 22 September , 2016 Thats sounds great, any further information please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 22 September , 2016 Share Posted 22 September , 2016 1 minute ago, museumtom said: Thats sounds great, any further information please? Not really Tom, According to Free BMD, these are the only James Holohan deaths since 1914, he seems the perfect match: Deaths Dec 1917 (>99%) Holohan James 36 Bradford 9b 224 Deaths Jun 1924 (>99%) Holohan James W 0 Islington 1b 242 Deaths Mar 1927 (>99%) Holohan James 42 Tynemouth 10b 381 Deaths Jun 1933 (>99%) Holohan James 56 W.Derby 8b 472 Deaths Dec 1940 (>99%) Holohan James E 47 Essex S.W. 4a 504 Deaths Dec 1943 (>99%) Holohan James 77 Barnet 3a 1301 Deaths Mar 1944 (>99%) Holohan James 57 Don Valley 9c 892 Deaths Mar 1952 (>99%) HOLOHAN James 60 Huddersfield 2b 792 Deaths Sep 1959 (>99%) HOLOHAN James 54 Farnworth 10c 136 Deaths Sep 1960 (>99%) HOLOHAN James 45 Swansea 8b 630 Deaths Sep 1966 (>99%) HOLOHAN JAMES 56 NEWMARKET 4B 986 Surname First name(s) DoB District Vol Page Deaths Jun 1971 (>99%) HOLOHAN James 26My1906 Luton 4a 387 Deaths Jun 1973 (>99%) HOLOHAN JAMES LAWRENCE 9JA1924 BARNET 5A 190 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 22 September , 2016 Author Share Posted 22 September , 2016 Bingo http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/411384/HOLOHAN, J Thanks Dai!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 22 September , 2016 Share Posted 22 September , 2016 23 minutes ago, museumtom said: Bingo http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/411384/HOLOHAN, J Thanks Dai!! Welcome Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 September , 2016 Author Share Posted 26 September , 2016 http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/409378/CLARKE, A E i would appreciate some help with this soldier please lads and lassies. Albert Edmond Clarke,1405, King Edward's Horse, DOW at home 15/03/1919. I have SDGW and the CWGC, I wondered if soldiers effects would give a next if kin or address please? Thanking you very much in advance. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 26 September , 2016 Share Posted 26 September , 2016 The address on his MIC is 4 Burlington Square, Goole. There is a marriage in 1924 for William Clarke of that address. Father William Clarke, labourer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 26 September , 2016 Share Posted 26 September , 2016 3 hours ago, museumtom said: http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/409378/CLARKE, A E i would appreciate some help with this soldier please lads and lassies. Albert Edmond Clarke,1405, King Edward's Horse, DOW at home 15/03/1919. I have SDGW and the CWGC, I wondered if soldiers effects would give a next if kin or address please? Thanking you very much in advance. Kind regards. Tom. Effects record Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 September , 2016 Author Share Posted 26 September , 2016 That's great, lads, all the information I could need. Where would I be without you guys? As usual your help is, and always was, very much appreciated indeed. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 26 September , 2016 Share Posted 26 September , 2016 The deaths index indicates that he was aged 31 (if his death is recorded as A E Clarke) The death location Dartford Kent may indicate that he died in a military hospital Regards Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 26 September , 2016 Author Share Posted 26 September , 2016 Excellent, Than you Ray! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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