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Sgt 316 John SALMOND 2Bn Black Watch


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I am researching the Black Watch casualty  Sgt  316 John  SALMOND ,  Black  Watch , a regular soldier from Bridge of Allan in  Stirlingshire killed in action at the Battle of Loos  on  25th   September 1915  when serving with the 2nd Battalion  Black Watch .

 

For some unknown reason he is not recorded in the pages of the  2nd battalion  Black Watch  in the book  on the  Black  Watch in the  Great War edited by  Major  General  A G  Waughope  and not even recorded as a casualty  in that  Battalion section  for  ORs . He is not listed in the  Honours and  Awards section of that   Battalion pages  re MID .

 

The  book  "BRIDGE OF ALLAN 'S ACTIVITIES  IN THE GREAT WAR   1914-1919  records him being a casualty on the towns war memorial AND   it lists him having been awarded a MID  .

 

i'm having problems trying to find the Mention in Despatches  .  Any ideas please  so that his  MID can be recorded on offical  rolls of honours  ??

 

thank you for your help or advice  to find his MID  record as his personal record did not survive the WW2  bombing  etc

 

Patrick  W Anderson

 

 

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His death appears to be mentioned in various newspaper articles from October 1915, referring to him as a Sergeant in the 2nd Bn. Black Watch, saying that he was the eldest son of Mr. and Mrs. John Salmond of the Bridge of Allan.  .  

 

(Stirling Observer editions of 9th, 19th and 23rd October 1915).

There is mention of him having been shot through the head.

 

However, that's all I can see........as my subscription has expired.     

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Hi Ron , thanks for that info  and  I wonder if anyone on the site will be able to get a copy of that obituary reporting  being shot through the head ! 
 

The Bridge of Allan book on the great war records he got a MID and his brother  ,L/Cpl  Henry (Harry ) Salmond ,  RE  awarded a MM and both from  6 Allanbank  Bridge Of  Allan.

Would not have thought that anyone would record  MID  if he had not been awarded it !!

 

any ideas 

 

 

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The report of John Salmond being shot through the head was published in the Stirling Observer on Saturday October 9 1915, the items on October 19 and 23 were a notice of his death in the births, marriages and deaths column and an acknowledgement for messages of sympathy received.

 

Regarding his M.I.D., his name is not listed in "Honour Those Mentioned in the Great War - Mentions in Despatches 1914 - 1922" by Michael Maton, a three volume set of listings of M.I.Ds. in the London Gazette. There is no note of the issue of the emblem for M.I.D. on his medal index card. So it would appear that it was not a gazetted M.I.D.   

Salmond, Stirling Observer 9.10.1915.JPG

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It's possible the family could have confused his being praised, in writing or directly, by a superior officer at battalion or brigade level for work well done, as opposed to an actual M.i.D.?

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No mention of "Emblems" on either of his medal cards (he's also erroneously listed as 316 J Salmon), and no additional card for a Mention, so the evidence is rather against it.  Could have been a divisional card, or maybe a B class mention which wasn't gazetted.

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Thank you all for your input and yes I too noted his  medal card under SALMOND   or  SALMON  only recording his  Medals and NO  MID  recorded. 

I am pleased to report that  THE  Scottish National War Memorial  at  the  Edinburgh  Castle has ACCEPTED the name of   sGT  316 John  Salmond,  Black Watch  2nd  Battalion as  a Casualty of  War .  Info from  Lt  Col   Roger J. Binks. , Keeper of  Rolls  at the  Scottish National War Memorial  in the recent days . 

Now awaiting the  ACCEPTANCE   for inclusion onto the  CWGC index . 

 

thanks  ALL

 

Patrick  W Anderson

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bwarchive  yep  the CWGC have accepted the name of   Sgt  John Salmond , Black  Watch too

 

strange why Sgt Salmond BW is not listed in the casualties list of the books on the Regiment in the  Great War edited by Wauchope !  Now added and Remembered for  Ever we hope

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