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Richard G

Dear all,

 

after some very helpful information a few days ago, I wonder if anyone might be willing to help me research Captain (previously Lieut.) Thomas Lovett MB (Doctor of medicine from Glasgow University 1911).  Again, his medals have just been auctioned, this time to someone else, but I was wondering about the man and how his medals may have ended up in a tin and house clearance lot along with some cutlery and bric a brac. 

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/1818-auctioneers/catalogue-id-sr1810101/lot-a4980e3d-ee76-4018-818a-a64400da22b3

 

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Richard G

 

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29091/page/2258/data.pdf

Thomas Lovett to be Lieut 28th Jan 1915 (above)

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29208/supplement/6251/data.pdf

The promotion to Lieut. is cancelled.  (just a handful of mths later)

 

promotion to Lieut rescinded 1915?  (According to LG)..  3rd Midland FA Brigade.  Could anyone explain to me why his promotion might have been cancelled as a time when medics were more in demand than ever, especially doctors? 

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The Inspector

Hi Richard

A quick search finds a Doctor Thomas Lovett born 1879 Quebec, Irish parents, on the 1921 Canadian Census. Suggest Glasgow University records should be able to give more info.

Regards Barry

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Richard G

No I don't think it's that man -would make him too old.  Can't find a medal index card anywhere or date of death.  Very confusing. 

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TEW

This may be his MIC http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D3724309 failing that, officers had to apply if he didn't apply there won't be a medal record for him.

 

As to his death, if he died in Scotland that makes things a little more difficult.

 

He has an article published in BMJ

TEW

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Ron Clifton
17 hours ago, Richard G said:

 

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29091/page/2258/data.pdf

Thomas Lovett to be Lieut 28th Jan 1915 (above)

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29208/supplement/6251/data.pdf

The promotion to Lieut. is cancelled.  (just a handful of mths later)

 

promotion to Lieut rescinded 1915?  (According to LG)..  3rd Midland FA Brigade.  Could anyone explain to me why his promotion might have been cancelled as a time when medics were more in demand than ever, especially doctors? 

When the announcement of an officer's appointment or promotion contained an error, it was usual to publish an entry in the LG cancelling the previous notice, and thereafter there would be a further publication containing the corrected details. Have you looked for a third entry?

 

Incidentally, the unit concerned was the 3rd North Midland Field Ambulance. "FA Brigade" would normally refer to a Field Artillery Brigade.

 

Ron

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Richard G

ah, that's v helpful. Thank you. So an innocent error likely then. Just had email response from Glasgow university archive dept stating simply all requests will be answered in twenty days.  next to the mic for answers.. That's the right card I think TEW, thank you

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The Inspector

Hi All

Medal Index Card Thomas Lovett RAMC, Lt/Capt. Medals issued  Brit/Vic as Capt   Off 141 Page 481C 15 Star as Lt, Off 141,248 Theatre 1 on 25.7.15  Remarks "1VX/7113 df16/2/22 EF 6/8070."

Regards Barry

Medal award rolls confirm above.

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The Inspector

Hi All

Could he have been the "Biking Doctor of the Dales", Austwick, near Settle?http://www.cravenherald.co.uk/nostalgia/nostalgia_history/9635268.The_biking_doctor_of_the_Dales/

Regards Barry

Madeline Miller Dowdy married Thomas Lovett in Belfast 3rd qtr 1904.

1901 Scotland Census Thomas Lovett is a medical student, born 1878 Ireland staying with his Aunty and family @ 55 Kilbowie Gardens, Clydebank. Thomas Lovett died 1958, Ewecross, West Riding, Yorkshire.

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Richard G

good grief you guys are good. I swear there's a fascinating book to be written which just charts the random array of medals which come up with the Bric a brac in country auction houses over say a year? If it's this man, theatre 1 being France I presume, what an interesting life he led.

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The Inspector

Hi Richard

I think he spent some time in the Shetland Isles before coming South, was married 7th July 1904 in Belfast. Two children Margaret and William born Ollaberry. Northmavine, Shetland Isles, 1910 and 1912....still looking

Regards Barry

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Richard G

just emailed harden coach house in the dales..its a b and b today..and v nice it appears too. That's where he lived in the inter war years. Hoping they have some more leads. Shetland isles..brrr...no wonder he left!

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HarryBrook

The reason for the cancellation notification in post #2 (London Gazette issue 29208 page 6251)  for his appointment as Lt. in the R.A.M.C. (T.F.) is because he was granted a Regular Commission as Lt., R.A.M.C.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29098/page/2502

Promoted temp. Capt. 18.2.1916

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29501/supplement/2543

Relinquished his commission on 11.2.1919 on account of ill-health contracted on active service

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31171/supplement/2056

 

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Richard G

Just had a reply from Harden House.  He didn't live in the coach house, but the main house....  it sold 2 years ago for 1.4 million pounds.  But wasn't sold by his daughter, but the family who bought it off his daughter...  looks like a jaw dropping place.  Sadly, the coach house lady has no photos...  but she's on the case. 

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Caroline Down

Hello, I don't know if you are still interested but Dr Thomas Lovett was my Great Grandfather. Everyone called him Uddy. I have no idea why. I never met him but we are currently putting together a family tree for my son's school project so I've been digging into the past. He was Born in Belfast in 1878 and moved to Glasgow to study Medicine. He won The Hunter Prize for surgery which the family still has. Incidentally his brother stayed in Belfast and became a navel architect for Harlend and Wolff.

After he graduated he went to Shetland(before the First W.W.)and there is a section about him in the Lerwick museum,I think he made his mark! He was an brilliant swimmer apparently and won the cross bay swim every year. He fought in the WW1 as stated on the GLA website. The newspaper article about the biking Dr of the dales isn't totally accurate. He had one last daughter, my Grandmother in 1916, her name was Jean but changed it to Betty! She was born in July 1916 during the battle of the Somme as she often reminded us. When he came back,he worked as a GP in Austwick in a one man practice,apparently once a month he invited a colleague  from the neighbouring practice,and the district nurse,and operated on patients knees and other surgical procedures,those were the days! 

If you would like to know anything else let me know. I would love to get his medals back in the family if it was possible. We thought they were lost!

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The Inspector

Hi Caroline

Welcome to the Forum. It's good to see research paying off. I hope you can bring his medals home.

Regards Barry

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