MotherMave Posted 30 July , 2016 Share Posted 30 July , 2016 Hi, I am researching a soldier and the only clue to him is the fact that his name is remembered on the above Roll of Honour, the Church was in Connah's Quay, and the entry on the Roll of Honour was:- "E.R. LLOYD Pte 10th R.W.F. France - Killed in Action" he obviously was a member of the Congregation. Any idea where the 10th Bn of the R.W.F. were engaged in battle, I know I am clutching at straws, but would really like to find more about him, as I have only just found out that the Roll of Honour for the Church existed. It was in Flintshire Record Office in Hawarden and I found out about it by one day idly clicking on the Imperial War Museum Website and finding their Memorial Project ( http://www.iwm.org.uk/memorials/search?query=hawarden%2C clwyd&items_per_page=10&page=8). When I entered Hawarden there were many, many memorials/inscriptions including this one and the Queensferry Chemical Works. I have found out about the soldiers on that and the Pte. LLOYD is the only one outstanding on the both. It's funny sometimes how the soldiers appear ready to be found!! Many thanks in advance for any clue to his identity. Regards, Mavis Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clive_hughes Posted 30 July , 2016 Share Posted 30 July , 2016 Geoff's Search Engine shows only 7 Lloyds as CWGC-listed casualties with the 10th RWF. None are E.R.Lloyd, and the only two with an initial E had next of kin resident in Llangollen and Denbigh, so some distance from Hawarden/Connah's Quay. E.R,Lloyd generally only has 2 candidates, one in the R.Irish Rifles 1918 and the other a 1914 officer of the R.Inniskilling Fusiliers. It may be that the 10th RWF was only one of the units with which he served (most memorials only bother with a single unit mention, even if the casualty transferred multiple times); also perhaps he served under just one forename, which complicates matters. I'm not clear - is he on memorials in both Hawarden and Connah's Quay? Clive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roselyn2 Posted 30 July , 2016 Share Posted 30 July , 2016 I've looked at the Soldiers Died In The Great War and like Clive on the C.W.G.C. site there are no E.R.Lloyd listed. Lyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roselyn2 Posted 30 July , 2016 Share Posted 30 July , 2016 I've looked at Hawarden on the Soldiers Died. There are no Lloyds under RESIDENCE, ENLISTED OR BORN. On the casualty list. One David James Lloyd 8th. R.W.Fus. Born Northop Flints. Enlisted Shotton. Residence Connah's Quay. D.O.W. at home 2.9.1915. Lyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherMave Posted 30 July , 2016 Author Share Posted 30 July , 2016 Thanks so much to you all, I could only find a few and there was no Additional info - on CWGC. Clive, no he isn't on any local memorial that I have researched, that's why it's so important to find out about him as he must be remembered somewhere, this Church Roll of Honour is the only place. Roselyn2, I have researched him, he died in Splat Hospital Cardiff and he is on both Hawarden & Connah's Quay, also on the Hawarden County School Roll of Honour, but thanks and to you all for taking the time to read and research on my behalf. Mavis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clive_hughes Posted 31 July , 2016 Share Posted 31 July , 2016 Mave, One other possibility is that if you can download the 10th RWF's War Diary from Nat.Archives, it has details of all the casualties (including wounded etc.) from when it landed in 1915 to its disbandment in early 1918. A potential candidate might appear in those detailled lists. Those still serving at disbandment went to various places - to other RWF units, and to Entrenching Battalions (some of those ended up attached to battalions of the 63rd Royal Naval Division!). A printed version of the war diary exists, which is very good but I'm told maybe doesn't have absolutely all of the names & details you'd find in the download. Chapel memorials reflect those who were either current or past members/attenders. From some Anglesey examples, they could have been born or have family living quite some distance away. If they were former members then the information about his death could have been passed on at a much later date, and subject to errors along the way (I'm thinking of one who is recorded as killed on the last day of the war in France, who actually died about the time of the evacuation of Gallipoli!!). Sounds a bit obvious, and if so pardon me; but have you checked for the name on censuses and local newspapers (eg, the Wales Online series)? Clive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink_and_pip Posted 31 July , 2016 Share Posted 31 July , 2016 12 hours ago, MotherMave said: Roselyn2, I have researched him, he died in Splat Hospital Cardiff Splott hospital Cardiff ? Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherMave Posted 31 July , 2016 Author Share Posted 31 July , 2016 Mave, One other possibility is that if you can download the 10th RWF's War Diary from Nat.Archives, it has details of all the casualties (including wounded etc.) from when it landed in 1915 to its disbandment in early 1918. A potential candidate might appear in those detailled lists. Those still serving at disbandment went to various places - to other RWF units, and to Entrenching Battalions (some of those ended up attached to battalions of the 63rd Royal Naval Division!). A printed version of the war diary exists, which is very good but I'm told maybe doesn't have absolutely all of the names & details you'd find in the download. Chapel memorials reflect those who were either current or past members/attenders. From some Anglesey examples, they could have been born or have family living quite some distance away. If they were former members then the information about his death could have been passed on at a much later date, and subject to errors along the way (I'm thinking of one who is recorded as killed on the last day of the war in France, who actually died about the time of the evacuation of Gallipoli!!). Sounds a bit obvious, and if so pardon me; but have you checked for the name on censuses and local newspapers (eg, the Wales Online series)? Clive Andy, Yes, sorry a typo!! Clive,Thanks for all the above, re War Diaries, I will try the download and I have only tentatively tried the censuses, but with just the initials, i suppose I gave up too easily! I will try the Wales Online, can you give me a link please. Many thanks again, Andy and Clive. Much appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hywyn Posted 31 July , 2016 Share Posted 31 July , 2016 Re the 10th Bn Diary. He is not in it. Well, not unless he's been seriously typoed that is. I can't put any of the RWF Lloyd E R/Lloyd E to Connahs Quay. One angle might be to see if the wartime Yearbooks for Rehoboth are at Hawarden where you might get some additional info to identify him, even if it's only a full name/address in the members subs ledgers. I have had succes with these books for Chapels in Caernarfon Archives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hywyn Posted 31 July , 2016 Share Posted 31 July , 2016 They have some, but not WW1 era http://www.flintshire.gov.uk/en/LeisureAndTourism/Records-and-Archives/Databases/Places.aspx?a=Places&u=24E9F2C9195498A700256552003A0E9C I don't know if everything is catalogued on line. Worth asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherMave Posted 31 July , 2016 Author Share Posted 31 July , 2016 Thanks so much Hywyn, I will be there on Tuesday, all being well. Will ask if they have anything. Many thanks, Mavis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clive_hughes Posted 2 August , 2016 Share Posted 2 August , 2016 Welsh newspapers online here: http://newspapers.library.wales/ Try selecting papers relevant to the area in question, and then using advanced search to narrow the dates. There will still be quite a lot of Lloyd entries, though maybe under Rehoboth would be easier to begin with! Clive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherMave Posted 3 August , 2016 Author Share Posted 3 August , 2016 Thanks for this Clive, I have bee looking through the newspapers, but I don't think they cover the County Herald and the Flintshire Observer which seemed to cover our area, but I am still going through and perhaps when I have familiarized myself more with the website, I might find something. Thanks again, for taking so much trouble to help me. I looked through the "Soldiers Died in the Great War 1914 - 1918 Royal Welsh Fusiliers Volume 28" yesterday for any trace of E.R. LLOYD, There was only 1 that looked likely, who died in 1916, other that the other 2 that were suggested earlier, and who I will research today, an Ellis LLOYD, 4th Bn. Enlisted Wrexham, 7752 Pte., K.in A. F & F 19th January 1916. Next week I will go through the newspapers that are held in Hawarden and one of the Archivists, Bridget, went through the Electoral Registers for the years but couldn't find him. Thanks again, Mavis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherMave Posted 3 August , 2016 Author Share Posted 3 August , 2016 Also, just thought Hywyn, I asked about any year books, registers or anything from Rehoboth, but the Roll of Honour which was donated by a lady from Shotton, was the only thing, and the Church was in Connah's Quay. I thought that it was but Bridget confirmed it. Regards, Mavis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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