Unknown (to me) document

[MaxD]

I am looking at what seem to be the left and right hand side of pages in a ledger recording attestation dates and places and later transfers.  The pages are on their own among a set of service documents with no references.  The set of service papers belong to a man who does not appear on the record so they appear to be there by chance.

 

In any event, the name is irrelevant to the query which is - where would this document, the type of which I have never come across before, fit into the great scheme of things?  Are there just the two pages per entry?  I can make no sense of the numbers on the left hand side and the only relative consistency seems to be that all the men attested in different towns in the north of England, both east and west.  Clues gratefully received.

 

I don't seem to be able to reduce the pages enough in size (lack of skill) so here are the printed headings:  LHS first

Page heading: Attestation or (and there seems to be another word that has disappeared in a fold)

 

Regl No  NAME (in full)       Date of         Age                   Place

               (Surname first)    Attestation  on Attestation      of Attestation

then RHS

Page Heading:  Discharge or becoming non-effective   

Cause   Rank and                         rate of pension awarded   Address on discharge    Remarks

              character on discharge    (if any)

 

The LHS entries are straightforward, the "Regl No" runs from 86038 to 86039 at the bottom.  The "cause" column has, in all cases "Transferred to (followed by a regiment)" - there are Lincolns, Yorks, RFC among them.  The "rank" column are all Pte, the pension column is blank and the remarks has "New Number..... where the number varies.  

 

If there is a way for a bear of little brain to reproduce the pages, do please advise!  They are on Ancestry - am I allowed to post a link or directions?

MaxD

 

 

[RaySearching]

You are allowed to post a link

 

Grab the URL  and post as a hyperlink

Regards Ray

[MaxD]

Thank you Ray.

 

Here, as if by magic are, in order the left page and the right page.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1219/30599_157557-00306?pid=1092993&backurl=http://search.ancestry.co.uk//cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3Dlan3928%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26db%3Dbritisharmyservice%26gss%3Dangs-d%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26msT%3D1%26gsfn%3Dthomas%26gsfn_x%3D0%26gsln%3Dkidd%26gsln_x%3D0%26cpxt%3D1%26cp%3D4%26MSAV%3D1%26uidh%3D6x5%26pcat%3D39%26fh%3D1%26h%3D1092993%26recoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D2&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=lan3928&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true#?imageId=30599_157557-00323

and 

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1219/30599_157557-00306?pid=1092993&backurl=http://search.ancestry.co.uk//cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3Dlan3928%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26db%3Dbritisharmyservice%26gss%3Dangs-d%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26msT%3D1%26gsfn%3Dthomas%26gsfn_x%3D0%26gsln%3Dkidd%26gsln_x%3D0%26cpxt%3D1%26cp%3D4%26MSAV%3D1%26uidh%3D6x5%26pcat%3D39%26fh%3D1%26h%3D1092993%26recoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D2&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=lan3928&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true#?imageId=30599_157557-00324

 

As said, the names are not really the prime interest, I'd like to know where the ledger was being maintained and by whom.

 

MaxD

 

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[MaxD]

I thought so which is why I asked whether I could post but there may be a subscriber reading?

 

In hope.

[TEW]

Maxd

 

I tweaked the urls you gave (subscription needs renewing) and found the sheets via ancestry library version. I found four sheets in total, 2 lefts and 2 rights in the service file of Thomas Kidd, 5375 and 306967. 3/8 Notts & Derby - 1/8 Notts & Derby.

 

Attestation service numbers run from 86016 to 86039. I don't know what the sheets are, there is no Army Form No. but the phrase Discharge or becoming non-effective seems to crop up for enlistment books but that would be Army Form B358

 

I also found MICs for the first 2 men - Adams & Noble using their new number in right hand column. The 860 numbers are not on the MICs.

 

 

The third man - 86018 Brownlow has a service record on FMP which shows the 86018 number to be for 91st Training Reserve. His transfer to 1/5th West Ridings took place 13/10/17. I think the sheets that I've spliced together have a missing central column, the left hand heading says Attestation or T.....

Interesting with Brownlow that the sheet gives his date of attestation as 13/2/17 whereas his record gives Enlisted 13/1/16. He was called up for service 13/2/17 and posted 91st TRB 15/2/17

 

I searched FMP using ADAMS and 86016 and they have indexed these sheets but unfortunately only the left hand sheets, perhaps the right hand sheets are indexed by new number only.

 

I would guess they are all men originally in a Training Reserve Battalion. Hunting for service/pension records by the new number and/or any more from the MIC may help work things out.

 

Normally, odd random sheets like this are scrap bits of paper used in the records office for memos placed into someone's file. FMP are very good at indexing these sort of sheets whereas ancestry just treat them as part of the man's record (Kidd). However, I don't think these are memos as there is no image of the reverse side of these 4 four sheets which you'd expect.

 

TEW

 

 

[MaxD]

TEW

 

You've taken an awful lot of trouble with this, thank you very much indeed.  Your assessment that these are pages relating to a TR Bn makes a lot of sense and the specific examples you gave hold up.  As to the randomness of their appearance, you probably noticed that the man Kidd (where I found them) doesn't appear on them!

 

The query came about related to Arthur Nelson Robbins who was (it says) transferred to the RFC and gives his number.  There are no records under that number although a number of MICs of possibles do exist. His given age and date of attestation may have been useful in narrowing the possibilities.  However, I would hate you to waste your time in further searches.  I asked the question in helping someone (with others) on another forum and after all the possibilities were laid out, found that the questioner wished to carry this on themselves so I (and others) gracefully withdrew having advised that applying for the service record was the only definitive way forward. 

 

Meanwhile, for my own education, you have helped with a most plausible explanation so thanks again, I'll know what it is if I come across another bit of random filing!

 

Max