Bate, George help please

[grammar]

Hi

 

Trying to learn more about a soldier who is listed on the Auckland Grammar School memorial in New Zealand.  According to his school obituary George Bate served with the South Wales Borderers and died as a POW on 16 August 1918.  However, I cannot find a Commonwealth War Graves reference to a likely candidate.  The only Bate to die on 16 August 1918 appears to be a Canadian.  

 

He attended Auckland Grammar then apparently his family returned to Manchester in 1915.  He's said to have enlisted in 1916.  It's possible his initials were G C W Bate

 

Are there any POW experts in particular who can shed light?

 

Any info gratefully received!

 

Grammar

[Guest]

Possibly 27523 Bate. Quite possible an error on the Memorial, and not uncommon. Don't see him as a POW either but others might have more joy.

 

Mike

[grammar]

Thanks Mike - greatly appreciated.  I'll explore this lead

 

G

[ralphjd]

56438 George Bate dow 6th August 1918 serving with the Welsh Regt a possible given the dates and he came from Manchester. Ralph.. 

 

and he is on a family tree on Ancestry as dying as a pow in Leon in a German Field Hosp.

[grammar]

Thanks Ralphjd - this looks very promising.  Much appreciated

 

G

[ralphjd]

You are welcome, glad to help, hope it turns out to be your man, good luck. Ralph

[grammar]

Thanks Ralph - I'll let you know.  We are researching all the men on the memorial.  Most were NZEF so I'm lucky to have the service records, but he had me stumped!

[RaySearching]

Solders effects have  George Bate 56438 9th Welsh death officialy accepted on or since 6th August 1918 (Leon)

mother Eliza 

 

Regards Ray

[grammar]

Thanks  Ray this is a great help - I will see if the school records have his mother's name

 

Regards

 

Andrew

[Stebie9173]

George Bate, Welsh Regiment, on ICRC (filed under Bates):

 

His index card:

 

http://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/File/Details/899583/3/2/

 

Lists from the card references:

 

http://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/List/899583/1872/35484/

http://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/List/899583/1872/36308/

 

 

 

Steve.

 

 

[grammar]

Thanks Steve - this is fantastic.  I'd tried the ICRC but just couldn't fathom the "how".  Greatly appreciated.  

 

Andrew

[NZ War Graves]

Most likely, by exclusion to be this guy:

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/322956/BATE, G

 

He also appears on :http://www.traffordwardead.co.uk/index.php?sold_id=s%3A13%3A"755%2Cstretford"%3B&letter=B&place=&war=&soldier=Bate

 

Happy to hear any comments!

 

Derrick

[NZ War Graves]

In UK, Soldiers who died in the Great War, 1914-1919 he is shown with the following details.

Name:     George Bate
Birth Place:     Newton Heath, Lancs
Residence:     Old Trafford, Lancs
Death Date:     6 Aug 1918
Death Place:     France and Flanders
Enlistment Place:     Manchester
Rank:     Private
Regiment:     Welsh Regiment
Battalion:     9th Battalion
Regimental Number:     56438
Type of Casualty:     Died of wounds
Theatre of War:     Western European Theatre

Not sure where AGS got 16 August from and died as POW. Although he could well have died of wounds as POW.
 

[wpf1958]

As he is buried in Vendresse, I am guessing he could have been originally buried in:

 

MORIEULOIS GERMAN CEMETERY, CREPY-EN-LAONNOIS, where seven British soldiers were buried in July and August 1918.

 

Just a thought.

 

Wilhelm

[wpf1958]

	There is an entry for one such person:   Name:    George Bate Age:    1 Estimated birth year:    abt 1900 Relation to Head:    Son Gender:        Male Father:            George Bate Mother:        Eliza J Bate Birth Place:        Newton, Heath, Lancashire, England Civil Parish:        North Manchester Ecclesiastical parish:    Newton Heath All Saints County/Island:    Lancashire Registration district:    Prestwich Household Members:    Name                Age             George Bate             29             Eliza J Bate             31             Catherine J Bate           3             George Bate               1
	Not sure if it is the right one.

[MickLeeds]

Hello.

I think that is the right family.

There is an incoming passenger list dated 17th July 1915.

 

Port of departure Brisbane, Australia.

Port of arrival Plymouth, England.

Mr George Bate: Occupation Baker.

Mrs Eliza Bate.

Miss Catherine Bate.

Master George Bate: Occupation baker.

 

Country of last permanent residence: New Zealand.

 

Also a passenger list recording the family bound for Wellington, New Zealand on the 26th October 1911.

 

Manchester Evening News 23 December 1918.

 

 

Manchester Evening News 21 June 1918

 

 

Mick.

Edited 8 April , 2017 by MickLeeds

[wpf1958]

Glad you found the route out and back, good background information.

 

He must have been on the cusp of 18, max, when he enlisted.

 

Wilhelm

[wpf1958]

He is commemorated on the family grave in Philips Park Cemetery that also bears the inscription of his family: Rebecca Hassall Bate, John J Bate, George Bate, Catherine Bate & Catherine Maud Bate.

 

Photo of Vendresse post war attached.

[grammar]

Many thanks for all the leads

 

Andrew