Guest brewerjerry Posted 14 June , 2016 Share Posted 14 June , 2016 Hi All Newbie to this board I am researching my great uncle, who died on 31 dec 1919, buried sweden. Any info on him, or pointers to where i can research him and his navy career would be gratefully recieved. Today I am trying the NA at kew, whilst I am this side of the pond cheers jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARABIS Posted 15 June , 2016 Share Posted 15 June , 2016 His Official No. is 310926 & his rate is Mechanician. You should be able to find his service record at Kew in the ADM series. His record is available on Find My Past but only up to 1917 when it continued on another ratings service record. I have not been able to find out which one. Catspaw was an Admiralty steel drifter which foundered 23/12/19 while enroute from Reval to Copenhagen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 15 June , 2016 Share Posted 15 June , 2016 I can only find this one: http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7120723 His CWGC record here: http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/4028216/BREWER, ARTHUR BERTIE regards sJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria harrison Posted 24 November , 2018 Share Posted 24 November , 2018 Hi, my name is Victoria. My great grandad was Arthur Bertie Brewer. He was my grans dad. He’s was married and had my gran she was 3 years old when hm Catspaw went down. i have photographs and medals he was awarded. if you would like to know more feel free to contact myself. im over the sea and far away in Cornwall. I hope I can help you kind reguards Victoria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria harrison Posted 11 December , 2018 Share Posted 11 December , 2018 Arthur “Bertie” Brewer, was my great Gradfarther, my dads mums dad. She was called Mable body before she married Bertie. They had my gran Glaydis Brewer. He served on HM Victory left from Devonport 1909 has was a mecanician he’s survived the war. In 1919 he was part of a clean up effort and to bring men back. He was on HM Drifter Catspaw. Catspaw went down dec 23rd 1919 due to bad weather. I have read the engine was found far away from the other part of wreckage there were no survivors. My great gran was left a widow and my gran was only 3 years old. if anyone has a picture of Catspaw could they kindly point me in the right direction please. I am doing rechearch on this as I feel this great great man needs to be remembered more. we have beautiful pictures of him, a portrait too Also have his medals that im recearching. We also have the widows penny that my great gran received. i know his number and position but I would love to know more if anyone can help me I would be really really greatfull. I’m new to this forgive me if I’ve worded anything wrong. rhank you, victoria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Pollitt Posted 14 November , 2022 Share Posted 14 November , 2022 Hi. I live in Gothenburg and was surprised to see these men's graves dated 31st December 1919 in the CWGC section of Kviberg cemetary. Did a bit of googling and found this site and your message. I took a photo of his grave today (the day after Remembrance Sunday hence the flowers and wreaths by the statue). Thought you might like it - hope you don't mind. Regards, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 12 January , 2023 Share Posted 12 January , 2023 (edited) On 14/11/2022 at 16:51, Steve Pollitt said: Hi. I live in Gothenburg and was surprised to see these men's graves dated 31st December 1919 in the CWGC section of Kviberg cemetary. Did a bit of googling and found this site and your message. I took a photo of his grave today (the day after Remembrance Sunday hence the flowers and wreaths by the statue). Thought you might like it - hope you don't mind. Regards, Steve Steve, "Hope you don't mind" - Of course we don't mind! In fact a belated "Thank you" from GWF is due to you - Such spontaneous posts by a brand new member should/would normally be picked up much earlier, sorry it has taken until today. Your photo is very much appreciated. Please come back again to GWF just as often as you like. We are always happy to try and answer any GW enquiries you might perhaps have. M Edit: By the way: the "statue" appears to be the Cross of Sacrifice present at many cemeteries containing a significant number of Imperial/Commonwealth War Graves Commission [I/CWGC] commemorated servicemen. This link to the history of the I/CWGC may perhaps be of interest to you. https://www.cwgc.org/who-we-are/our-story/designing-our-first-war-graves [moving to the first webpage offers you the fuller story] Edited 12 January , 2023 by Matlock1418 edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 12 January , 2023 Share Posted 12 January , 2023 On 24/11/2018 at 23:48, Victoria harrison said: Hi, my name is Victoria. My great grandad was Arthur Bertie Brewer. He was my grans dad. He’s was married and had my gran she was 3 years old when hm Catspaw went down. Hi Victoria, I hope this post reaches you after more than four years- it may perhaps be of interest to others too. Of course, there was a sad aftermath to 'Bertie' BREWER's death - his widow made a claim for a war pension for herself and for a pension allowance for her child under articles 11 & 12 of the Royal Warrant. There are Pension Index Cards at the Western Front Association/Fold3 [unfortunately a rather less commonly visited source of info] - this is probably the most informative Image courtesy of WFA/Fold3 The card is not as fully completed as many other such cards but it does offer up a few snippets - Much is probably self-explanatory but a few interpretations of some of the entries for you may assist further: This pension index card was in the sailor’s name and there was another briefer card in the widow’s name so they could be cross-referenced/accessed. These lead to a ledger via the claim case references and then to an awards file. Unfortunately, the ledger is lost [probably destroyed] and the awards file probably deliberately destroyed once its use was passed [as was the common case] £6 Grant, 9.6.20 = Image from 'War Pensions & Allowances' by Hogge & Garside - thanks to Internet Archive, www.archive.org By the date of 'Bertie' BREWER's death the grant had risen to £5 plus £1 per child - so by recording £6 we can see one child being recognised, even though their details are not recorded [Presumably your grandmother] S.A. = Separation Allowance - A portion of a sailor's pay which was matched by the government and sent to his dependants to make sure they were not left destitute while he was on active service. SA were often more generous than pensions and child(ren)’s allowance(s) because a wife had to maintain a home in the same level of comfort as before ready for her husband’s return whilst a widow did not have such a need and costs – after all, apparently, she could then cut back and down-size her home! Typically, the no of SA on the card reflected the number of children - In this case One [Presumably your grandmother] 50F = Form 50F used to cease the Separation Allowance and start the pension - typically SA continued for about six months after death, thus allowing for pension and allowance(s) calculation, so this seems the case also here. Art 11 & 12 = A pension would be paid for the widow [Art 11 - potentially for life provided she did not remarry] and an allowance(s) for any child(ren) [Art 12 - the child(ren)'s allowances were paid to their mother, typically until they reached 16 when such payments ceased, occasionally up to 21 if they were in some form of further vocational training or sometimes if they had impairment/disability - then the child(ren) would certainly be expected to go out to work to earn their keep. Or paid until the earlier death of the child.] - unfortunately those full details are not recorded here or the other card Regretfully the main Pension Award file is lost, likely destroyed as was the usual case once the claim had fully ended. I hope of interest to you. M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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