Census 1911

[The Inspector]

Hi All

From an Ancestry tree which appears to check out!!!

Minnie Harrison was born 27th September, 1893 and died 23rd Feb 1977 Garforth, Leeds 5,0016.. Her second son, Ernest Albert Bennett was born 1922 2nd qtr. Pontefract 9c,205 and died 1924 2nd qtr 9c,105. Her third son Leslie Bennett b. 23.2.1924 d 29.7.1984, Headingley, Leeds. Her fourth son Charles Evelyn Bennett b. 4th qtr 1925 Pontefract 9c,216 died 1927 9c,126.

Her mother Ann Hill married James Harrison 1873, Chesterfield, Derbyshire 7b,930. Her husband James was a Coal Miner.

She had a brother called JOB Hill who was born 1855 Sutton In Ashfield,Notts. By 1891 her husband and all the family had moved to Wakefield. 1901 just her and 3 daughters on the census (inc. Minnie aged 7) in .Pontefract. Sometime after 1910 James Harrison was killed in a pit accident where he was drowned and his wife listed as ANN E HARRISON died June 1936 Pontefract aged 76, 9c,116.

We all know that one shouldn't rely on Ancestry trees BUT I think there is plenty to cross reference....Job Henry Bennett (Jnr) should at least get a mention somewhere.

Scoz...we are all waiting for an update...please.

Regards Barry

[dgibson150]

Hi Barry and scoz

I believe all the public member trees on ancestry are wrong. All the ones I have seen conclude that Minnie Harrison married Job Henry Bennett from Liverpool (the son of the publican).

According to http://search.ancestry.co.uk//cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=NND1285&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&gss=angs-c&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&gsfn=job%20henry&gsfn_x=0&gsln=bennett&gsln_x=0&msbdy=1891&msbdy_x=1&msbdp=1&msbpn__ftp=Lancashire,%20England&msbpn=5271&msbpn_PInfo=7-%7C0%7C0%7C3257%7C3251%7C0%7C0%7C0%7C5271%7C0%7C0%7C&_83004003-n_xcl=f&cpxt=1&cp=11&MSAV=1&uidh=9p8&pcat=40&h=46088460&recoff=7%208%209&db=UKOutwardPassengerLists&indiv=1&ml_rpos=11.

a Mr JH Bennett, aged 31 and previously of an Aintree address, emigrated to Australia with his wife, Mrs J Bennett on 22 December 1923. A search of the Australian electoral rolls for Job Henry Bennett gives several hits for various locations in New South Wales up to 1977, the last of which is

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=AUSelectoralrolls&gss=sfs28_ms_r_db&new=1&rank=1&gsfn=job%20henry&gsfn_x=0&gsln=bennet&gsln_x=0&msrdy=1977&MSAV=1&uidh=9p8

I do not have worldwide membership, so I can't get to the detail.

I searched the New South Wales death register and found that a Job Henry Bennett, son of Job Henry Bennett and Mary Bennett died in 1978.

See https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search?5

for search page.

It seems therefore that the Job Henry Bennett born in Liverpool in December 1891 is not the Job Bennett that died in 1926 and was married to Minnie Harrison.

On the census question, one possible explanation for Job Bennett's absence is that he was with the 2nd Bn KOYLI in April 1911. The 2nd Bn were in Cork at the time and as far as I can ascertain the only census records are the Irish census, which, incredibly, only required soldiers in barracks to be identified by their given name and surname initials. He could be there somewhere but it is impossible to track down. Even if he could be found it would not help because the census instructions say that for non-Irish people, only the country of birth needs to be shown.

It looks as if we will have to wait for the 1921 census to get any more info on the elusive Job Bennett.

Kind regards

David

[The Inspector]

Hi David and all

The passenger list is for Mr J.H. and Mrs.J Bennett of 32 Courton ??? Rd., Aintree. He is shown as a joiner on that list and on both electoral rolls in Oz. So it is more than likely that he is the same Job Henry Bennett as on the 1911 census at Aintree listed as an Apprentice Joiner.

I agree with you David, as I posted at No.14, the Ancestry trees all look to be wrong!!

Regards Barry

Further search of Oz electoral rolls his wife was called Jeannie, 1954 also living with them Roberta Lorimer Bennett, Job Henry on his own in 1977 @ 250 Oberon St.Coogee, NSWales.

Edited 6 June , 2016 by The Inspector

[dgibson150]

Thanks for your staying power Barry. Seems to be just you and I!

One additional point which might be relevant to any of the Bennett family tree-ers is that there may be another, the first, child of the Job Bennett/Minnie Harrison marriage. There is a George Bennett, b March quarter 1912 in Pontefract where the mother's maiden name is Harrison. If this attribution is correct it would imply that Job was not in Hong Kong in April 1911 and therefore there is more weight to the theory that he was at that time in the 2nd Bn KOYLI.

I have e-mailed the KOYLI Museum at Doncaster to see if they have any info on Job Bennett. We'll see what they come back with.

Regards

David

[The Inspector]

Hi David

I don't like giving up on a search!

The George Bennett you mention (9c,265) appears to be born 27.2.1912 and married 31.7.1942 in Cambridge. died 1999 Leeds....but no trace of this man's parents without certificates....still looking.

Regards Barry

[Ellis1918]

Well done Barry and David. Pity scoz appears to have lost interest in this thread.

[Old Scalyback]

Is he perhaps serving in Ireland in 1911 in which case he would be listed by his initials, for security reasons all soldiers , police men etc are not named. there are many hundreds of R.B.'s in the 1911 census including several at Marlborough Barracks Dublin. where were 2nd KOYLI in 1911?

Edit just read the bottom of post 27 so 2nd KOYLI in Cork

there are three B. J s in Victoria Barracks Cork all C of E.

Minnie Bennett is not in Married Quarters in Cork.

[dgibson150]

Hi All

Thanks Old Scalyback for explaining why soldiers were intended to be referenced by initials only in the Irish Census.

Project Doncaster 1914-18 came back to me very quickly. The project team have been looking into Job Bennett and it seems that no-one can find out his background. The KOYLI Museum hold Job's Serbian Medal and are planning to feature him in the Museum next year. One interesting piece of information they gave is that the KOYLI Museum has a postcard written by Job from Ceylon to Minnie dated 26/10/1911 saying that he hoped to arrive in Hong Kong in eight day's time. It is likely therefore that he was in UK/Ireland in April 1911 with either the 2nd or (less likely) 3rd Battalion KOYLI.

Barry, There is another George Bennett, born 19/2/1912 in Pontefract, who married a Beulah Flowers in Q2 1934. He is recorded as a weaver in Keighley on the 1939 Register on Findmypast. As you rightly say though, one needs to see the certificates to be sure if he is the one.

Kind regards

David

[Old Scalyback]

His Serbian Medal one of a large batch of foreign awards Gazetted 19th February 1917 in the Edinburgh gazette, to 9947 Acting Corporal Job Bennett KOYLI Probably for some act of merit in Salonica. Ancestry's Database index is corrupt and does not display his War and victory medal index card or roll and does nor even find a 1914-1915 Star record for him.

[scoz]

Job Bennets birth date came from his son now deceased.

His death 18th March 1926 came from his death certificate aged 36.

After asking Ancestry.co.uk they came up with the Job Henry Bennett in the 1911 census whos father was also Job Henry Bennett But Job is described as single and a joiner when my Job was married on 26 March 1910 in Pontefract to Minnie Harrison.

Job enlisted on the 13 Jan 1909 into the KOYLI regimental numbr 9947 He was awarded the Serbian war medal for bravery and returned to England on a hospital ship fom the Balkan Front Salonika. he was given the Silver war badge.

Niether on his medal roll, silver war badge or marriage is a second name Henry given for him or his father.

I tried to upload the silver war badge and marriage certifcates but I am getting the message that they are too big to uplaod but I do not know how to reduce them.

[scoz]

Jobs address at his time of marriage was given as Mandora Barracks Aldershot

[dgibson150]

Scoz,

Great that you are back in contact,

It is a most intriguing puzzle.

Kind regards

David

[dgibson150]

Scoz,

Anyone with an ancestry subscription can access the SWB record without your posting it. Re the marriage certificate, if you e-mail me the scan I am sure that I can reduce its size and post it.

Kind regards

David

[scoz]

just emailed them to you David

[scoz]

Thanks for your staying power Barry. Seems to be just you and I!

One additional point which might be relevant to any of the Bennett family tree-ers is that there may be another, the first, child of the Job Bennett/Minnie Harrison marriage. There is a George Bennett, b March quarter 1912 in Pontefract where the mother's maiden name is Harrison. If this attribution is correct it would imply that Job was not in Hong Kong in April 1911 and therefore there is more weight to the theory that he was at that time in the 2nd Bn KOYLI.

I have e-mailed the KOYLI Museum at Doncaster to see if they have any info on Job Bennett. We'll see what they come back with.

Regards

David

Minnies first son is called Eric Bennett born 1917 in leeds Yorkshire

[dgibson150]

just emailed them to you David

I haven't received anything yet and have to go to bed (it's 11.30 here in Sicily). No problem - but will have to pick up on it tomorrow.

Kind regards

David

[scoz]

Jobs Marriage Certificate

[scoz]

Jobs Silver War Badge

[scoz]

I haven't received anything yet and have to go to bed (it's 11.30 here in Sicily). No problem - but will have to pick up on it tomorrow.

Kind regards

David

Ive managed to put them on for everyone to view

[Norrette]

I think this is Minnie (with a missing father) in the 1901. She is a hop & a skip from Anderson St in Pontefract. There is only one Minnie with a James Harrison as father and he has the wrong occupation.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk//cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=ULf1833&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&gss=angs-c&new=1&rank=1&gsfn=Minnie&gsfn_x=0&gsln=Harrison&gsln_x=0&msbdy=1892&msbdy_x=1&msbdp=2&msypn__ftp=Pontefract,%20Yorkshire,%20England&msypn=89123&msypn_PInfo=8-|0|0|3257|3251|0|0|0|5292|89123|0|&msfng=James&msfns=Harrison&cpxt=1&cp=11&MSAV=1&uidh=to9&pcat=CEN_1900&h=27405054&db=uki1901&indiv=1&ml_rpos=2

I think she is younger than on the marriage cert?

Edit: If that's correct then this is her on the 1911 - place called Tanshelf

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=ULf1845&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&gss=angs-g&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&gsfn=ann&gsfn_x=0&gsln=harrison&gsln_x=0&msbdy_x=1&msbdp=10&MSAV=1&msbdy=1860&gskw=anderson%20st%20Pontefract&cpxt=1&cp=11&catbucket=rstp&uidh=to9&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=38300775&db=1911England&indiv=1&ml_rpos=1

Edit2: Sorry I see someone found this already.

[Norrette]

Here's the marriage witness, Harriet Scales, staying over on the 1911 census with Job Hill and son George Bennett? (single)

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2352/rg14_27550_0485_03?pid=38372814&backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2f%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fgss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsfn%3dHarriet%26gsfn_x%3d0%26gsln%3dScales%26gsln_x%3d0%26msypn__ftp%3dWakefield%252c%2bYorkshire%252c%2bEngland%26msypn%3d89321%26msypn_PInfo%3d8-%257c0%257c0%257c3257%257c3251%257c0%257c0%257c0%257c5292%257c89321%257c0%257c%26MSAV%3d0%26cp%3d0%26catbucket%3drstp%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26h%3d38372814%26db%3d1911England%26indiv%3d1%26ml_rpos%3d1%26hovR%3d1&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true

Edit: & that George Bennett was Job's step-son as his wife Harriet was a Bennett (unmarried mother) http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7572/NTTRG11_3321_3324-0543?pid=17548701&backurl=http://search.ancestry.co.uk//cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DULf1970%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26gss%3Dangs-g%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26gsfn%3DGeorge%26gsfn_x%3DNN%26gsln%3DBennet%26gsln_x%3DNN%26msbdy%3D1879%26msbdy_x%3D1%26msbdp%3D2%26msbpn__ftp%3DSutton%2520In%2520Ashfield,%2520Nottinghamshire,%2520England%26msbpn%3D1673003%26msbpn_PInfo%3D8-%257C0%257C0%257C3257%257C3251%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C5279%257C1673003%257C0%257C%26msbpn_x%3DPCO%26msbpn__ftp_x%3D1%26cpxt%3D1%26cp%3D11%26MSAV%3D1%26uidh%3Dto9%26pcat%3DROOT_CATEGORY%26h%3D17548701%26db%3Duki1881%26indiv%3D1%26ml_rpos%3D3&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=ULf1970&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true

[dgibson150]

Thanks by the way Scoz that that I did not have to do anything and the documents just appeared.

NPM

I found the same Census schedule. To see "Job" and "Bennett" on the same page - "wow". I think however that stepson is the wrong term He must be illegitimate because the Hills had been married for 32 years and George Bennett is 29 (at least according to this census).

Harriet Scales was I think the sister of James Harrison. On the 1911 census there are Scales children living with Ann Harrison and described as nephews and/or nieces (can't remeber the details). Harriet Harrison married an Albert Edward Scales in 1904, ref Pontefract June 1904 9c 213. Scales died in Q1 1911 (Wortley 9c 213).

What is really interesting about Harriet Scales (widow) is that she (I think) married a George W Bennett in Pontefract in Dec quarter 1911. That would be a great certificate to get hold of.

Job Hill in post #46 is the brother of Ann Harrison, Minnie's mother. It's all a bit close knit, therefore maybe not too surprising that Harriet is visiting family.

Job Hill is on the 1901 census in which George Bennett has an age of 24, out of sync with the 1911 age. Also there is a son Job Hill, aged 13 - interesting. Maybe "castles in the air", but could this Job Hill be our Job Bennett? Also could his father Job Hill be our Job Bennett on the marriage certificate?

Perhaps I haven't set the arguments out very well, but there is at least something to research. There is no credible Job Bennett either father or son, so why not both male names on the marriage certificate being "wrong"?

David

[scoz]

I think this is Minnie (with a missing father) in the 1901. She is a hop & a skip from Anderson St in Pontefract. There is only one Minnie with a James Harrison as father and he has the wrong occupation.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk//cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=ULf1833&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&gss=angs-c&new=1&rank=1&gsfn=Minnie&gsfn_x=0&gsln=Harrison&gsln_x=0&msbdy=1892&msbdy_x=1&msbdp=2&msypn__ftp=Pontefract,%20Yorkshire,%20England&msypn=89123&msypn_PInfo=8-|0|0|3257|3251|0|0|0|5292|89123|0|&msfng=James&msfns=Harrison&cpxt=1&cp=11&MSAV=1&uidh=to9&pcat=CEN_1900&h=27405054&db=uki1901&indiv=1&ml_rpos=2

I think she is younger than on the marriage cert?

Edit: If that's correct then this is her on the 1911 - place called Tanshelf

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=ULf1845&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&gss=angs-g&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&gsfn=ann&gsfn_x=0&gsln=harrison&gsln_x=0&msbdy_x=1&msbdp=10&MSAV=1&msbdy=1860&gskw=anderson%20st%20Pontefract&cpxt=1&cp=11&catbucket=rstp&uidh=to9&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=38300775&db=1911England&indiv=1&ml_rpos=1

Edit2: Sorry I see someone found this already.

you're correct that is her

[scoz]

Thanks Dave,

You have set my juices flowing, If I have to buy some certificates to get to the right Job it will be well worth it and maybe I can save what little sanity this man has left me.

[The Inspector]

Hi scoz and all

Nice to hear from you scoz

As you can see below, we are on the right track. Incidentally is this your tree ??

I have come across a number of families where the surnames were interchanged after a second marriage and it can be very confusing. Have already looked at the "Scales" relationship and the mariage cert. makes it even more interesting. The search continues......

Regards Barry

The Inspector, on 05 Jun 2016 - 11:01 PM, said:

Hi All

From an Ancestry tree which appears to check out!!!

Minnie Harrison was born 27th September, 1893 and died 23rd Feb 1977 Garforth, Leeds 5,0016.. Her second son, Ernest Albert Bennett was born 1922 2nd qtr. Pontefract 9c,205 and died 1924 2nd qtr 9c,105. Her third son Leslie Bennett b. 23.2.1924 d 29.7.1984, Headingley, Leeds. Her fourth son Charles Evelyn Bennett b. 4th qtr 1925 Pontefract 9c,216 died 1927 9c,126.

Her mother Ann Hill married James Harrison 1873, Chesterfield, Derbyshire 7b,930. Her husband James was a Coal Miner.

She had a brother called JOB Hill who was born 1855 Sutton In Ashfield,Notts. By 1891 her husband and all the family had moved to Wakefield. 1901 just her and 3 daughters on the census (inc. Minnie aged 7) in .Pontefract. Sometime after 1910 James Harrison was killed in a pit accident where he was drowned and his wife listed as ANN E HARRISON died June 1936 Pontefract aged 76, 9c,116.

We all know that one shouldn't rely on Ancestry trees BUT I think there is plenty to cross reference....Job Henry Bennett (Jnr) should at least get a mention somewhere."