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Details on British small vessels


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Good evening.

For an ongoing project my fellow researcher Wolfgang Göthling is looking for some particular information on small British vessels.

We need to know the port registration number and tonnage oft he following British fishing vessels:

- Trawler KYOTO from Cardiff - October 1916

- Cutter REINDEER (52 BRT) - sunk 12.03.1917

- Cutter PITOCEE – March 1917 rescued the survivors of brit. REINDEER (52 BRT)

- Cutter MAY – March 1917 rescued the survivors of brit. FORGET ME NOT (40 BRT)

- Drifter JUSTICE – April 1916 rescued the survivors of brit. HARROVIAN (4309 BRT)

- Cutter ALABAMA – Oct. 1916 rescued the survivors of french BLAVET (1010 BRT)

- Drifter PERSEVERANCE – Oct. 1916 transfered the survivors of french BLAVET (1010 BRT) to Plymouth

- Cutter FIVE SISTERS –April 1917 rescued the survivors of norwegian RINGHOLM (705 BRT)

- Cutter OUR BOYS – June 1917 rescued the survivors of norwegian SONGVAND (2205 BRT)

Also, we need to know some specifics of the following sailing vessel:

- Schooner CECILIA - Oct. 1918 rescued the survivors of norwegian GJERTRUD (593 BRT) and transfered them to Falmouth.

year built: ?
builders yard: ?
tonnage: ?



I will also put that question into the uboat.net-Forum (see: http://uboat.net/forums/read.php?23,92151,92151#msg-92151)

Thanks for your thoughts :-)

Oliver

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Lloyd's Register library www.lr.org may be able to assist.

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Kyoto

Name

Kyoto

Type

Trawler

GRT

282 tons

Country

flag_united_kingdom_s.png British

Built

1913

Builder

Smith’s Dock Co. Ltd., Middlesbrough

Operator

Neale & West Ltd., Cardiff

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There were two types of registration for fishing vessels, a more secure but more expensive form that involved having an Official Number (ON) and a less secure type that didn’t. Vessels with ONs are much easier to trace as they’re listed in the Mercantile Navy List. So definitely start by having a look at the Mercantile Navy List, which is available online for many years here: http://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/viewimages.php

Note that the Mercantile Navy List lists only net tonnage for sailing vessels. Yes, that’s an issue, as a fair percentage of the tonnages listed for small sailing vessels and smacks sunk during the war in the usual sources (BVLAS, Lloyd's War Losses, Spindler etc.) sometimes give the net tonnage and sometimes give the gross tonnage.

Lloyd's Register of Shipping didn't include fishing smacks and small sailing vessels. Kyoto should have been be included; the others probably weren't.

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Hello Michael,

thank you for that link, also from Wolfgang Göthling. It's very usefull to find tonnage and owner of these vessels.

Still looking for the port registration numbers, these obviously not that easy to find, so any contribution in that regard most welcome!

Have a nice sunday...

Oliver

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