Terry Denham Posted 22 April , 2016 Share Posted 22 April , 2016 CWGC added the following casualties to the WW1 War Dead Roll today. BARR, Henry Keith Major 38th King George’s Own Central India Horse Died 25.10.16 Age 44 Commemorated: Indian Book of Remembrance LATTER, Walter Frederick Private L/13323 2 Bn, Royal Sussex Regiment Died 06.08.20 Age 21 Commemorated: Brookwood 1914-1918 Memorial, Surrey SMART, Daniel Corporal 204810 4 Bn, Royal Welsh Fusiliers Died 20.12.18 Age 27 Commemorated: United Kingdom Book of Remembrance NOT FORGOTTEN The above were In From the Cold Projects cases: - Major Barr committed suicide by shooting (Volunteer: Chris Harley) - Pte Latter drowned while bathing off Bermuda (Volunteer: Steve Morse) - Cpl Smart died post-discharge of suppurative appendicitis (Volunteer: Steve John) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted 22 April , 2016 Share Posted 22 April , 2016 RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog Posted 22 April , 2016 Share Posted 22 April , 2016 I must admit I find it bizarre that those whose cause of death is suicide or drowned whilst bathing are included on the so-called CWGC "Debt of Honour" whilst the whole crew of the merchant ship Kansas City lost to unknown reasons sailing with no doubt essential cargo to the UK from the USA in 1917 did not qualify and their names (about 30) are forgotten yet they were as much war victims as those listed here. I do accept of course that this was the way that things were done at the time but that does not make it right nor fair and in my view nonsensical. Such non-recording will of course completely distort the reported numbers of Merchant Navy seamen lost in WW1 which must be extremely inaccurate. N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
River97 Posted 22 April , 2016 Share Posted 22 April , 2016 Rest in peace soldier boy's, gone and not forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 22 April , 2016 Share Posted 22 April , 2016 R.I.P. lads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGM Posted 23 April , 2016 Share Posted 23 April , 2016 Seadog, this is really not the place to discuss why serving personnel are commemorated and merchant seamen who are considered to have died as a result of a hurricane at sea are not. Remembering all those who died in service, especially Barr, Latter and Smart. CGM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Evans Posted 23 April , 2016 Share Posted 23 April , 2016 I must admit I find it bizarre that those whose cause of death is suicide or drowned whilst bathing are included on the so-called CWGC "Debt of Honour" whilst the whole crew of the merchant ship Kansas City lost to unknown reasons sailing with no doubt essential cargo to the UK from the USA in 1917 did not qualify and their names (about 30) are forgotten yet they were as much war victims as those listed here. I do accept of course that this was the way that things were done at the time but that does not make it right nor fair and in my view nonsensical. Such non-recording will of course completely distort the reported numbers of Merchant Navy seamen lost in WW1 which must be extremely inaccurate. N There are very many Merchant seamen commemorated by the CWGC, have you submitted the names of the Kansas City crew to them for possible inclusion? Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tootrock Posted 23 April , 2016 Share Posted 23 April , 2016 The CWGC website records the names of 15,587 members of the Mercantile Marine. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGM Posted 23 April , 2016 Share Posted 23 April , 2016 See this previous thread. for an explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 26 April , 2016 Share Posted 26 April , 2016 May They Rest In Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem49 Posted 26 April , 2016 Share Posted 26 April , 2016 Never Forgotten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 2 September , 2016 Share Posted 2 September , 2016 SMART, DANIEL Rank: Corporal Service No: 204810 Date of Death: 20/12/1918 Age: 27 Regiment/Service: Royal Welsh Fusiliers 4th Bn. Grave Reference: P. 270. Cemetery: BARRY (MERTHYR DYFAN) BURIAL GROUND Additional Information: Son of Frederick and Martha Smart of Barry, Glam. N.B. Recent research has shown that Corporal Smart is buried here. The Commission is in the process of producing a headstone to mark his grave. Commemoration Moved From UK BOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 29 November , 2016 Share Posted 29 November , 2016 BARR, HENRY KEITH Rank: Major Date of Death: 25/10/1916 Age: 44 Regiment/Service: 38th King George's Own Central India Horse Grave Reference: Special Memorial. Cemetery: HOLCOMBE ROGUS (ALL SAINTS) CHURCHYARD Additional Information: Son of David William Keith and Constance Frances Guillum Barr; husband of Elsie Violet St. Claire Barr of Holcombe Rogus, Devon. N.B. Recent research has shown that Major Barr is buried here. The Commission is in the process of producing a special memorial headstone to commemorate him as it is not possible to mark his actual grave. Commemoration Moved From UK BOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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