Martin Brown Posted 7 April , 2016 Share Posted 7 April , 2016 Morning All Some of you will have seen this on linkedin but not all so here goes... I recently won the Historic England contract to produce a study on First Word War fieldworks in England. This is intended to cover training trenches but also fieldworks at locations such as ports, factories etc - London Defence Ring for example, or defences identified by Peter Chasseaud at Newhaven. Whilst I do have an extensive list of sites, particularly of training sites, I am always open to suggestions of particularly good or unusual examples that you think warrant further attention and even proposing for designation,In addition to English examples, I should like a few comparators from elsewhere, apart from the set I excavated in Belgium, so again if you have anything, I'd be pleased to hear from you; Germany would be particularly exciting!PM me on here and I will give you my work email, alternatively drop me a line at wyg.comAnd yes, there will be credit where it's due, of course!Many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 7 April , 2016 Share Posted 7 April , 2016 You might want to contact Tim: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Brown Posted 7 April , 2016 Author Share Posted 7 April , 2016 Morning In case you haven't noticed it, I have started a thread on fieldworks in England here http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=238091 Your assistance will be very much appreciated, as ever Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogilwy Posted 7 April , 2016 Share Posted 7 April , 2016 Martin, I have some stuff that cropped up doing the Digging Dad's Army around Greenwich. I'll call at the weekend or give me a ring at home. I'll show you wht I have from Kent as well! Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aengland Posted 8 April , 2016 Share Posted 8 April , 2016 Martin There are 'trenches' close to Docking in north-west Norfolk... indeed they are very close to the previous RAF Bircham Newton, and the site of the Construction Industry Training Board. I am happy to put you in touch with the owner if you are interested. Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 8 April , 2016 Share Posted 8 April , 2016 Some at Browndown just inland from the Solent (on MOD land) that featured heavily in BBC news website coverage when they were rediscovered - you probably know about them but for what it's worth: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-26471922 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianjonesncl Posted 8 April , 2016 Share Posted 8 April , 2016 Martin Rothbury Training Trenches. http://northumbriangunner.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/rothbury-training-trenches.html Northumberland County Council are looking to make a bid to the Heritage Lottery Fund to provide educational facilities for schools to visit the system. Let me know if this is of interest as there is a plan to do some research as part of the project. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancpal Posted 9 April , 2016 Share Posted 9 April , 2016 Martin As far as trenches abroad go there were certainly some dug during the Easter Rising at St Stephens Green and possibly other parts of Dublin. With the current centenary celebrations I'd imagine information may be pretty close to the surface. There were also training trenches dug in Heaton Park, Manchester and I think Greenhead Park in Huddersfield, though I don't believe any evidence exists at either site. Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Brown Posted 29 April , 2016 Author Share Posted 29 April , 2016 You wonderful people, It's really nice to see some exciting new examples come forward in this discussion. I'm really grateful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Brown Posted 29 April , 2016 Author Share Posted 29 April , 2016 I'm pretty sure there must be more out there and I know people have posted in the past on examples in Kent (between the Eurostar and the M20?) as well as Chiseldon (I think). Also, does anyone know about the trenches at Lytham St Annes ("Loos Trenches") or trenches associated with the Hull Pals on Beverley Westwood and possibly at South Dalton. David Bilton's excellent book on the Hull pals includes a picture of men digging training trenches but doesn't identify the location. Thank you in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted 29 April , 2016 Share Posted 29 April , 2016 Is it difficult doing a study and determining to which war the digging belongs? curious khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Riley Posted 29 April , 2016 Share Posted 29 April , 2016 I'm pretty sure there must be more out there and I know people have posted in the past on examples in Kent (between the Eurostar and the M20?) as well as Chiseldon (I think). Also, does anyone know about the trenches at Lytham St Annes ("Loos Trenches") or trenches associated with the Hull Pals on Beverley Westwood and possibly at South Dalton. David Bilton's excellent book on the Hull pals includes a picture of men digging training trenches but doesn't identify the location. Thank you in advance The Loos trenches are the subject of a professional investigation through a local authority, I think. If I recall correctly, it appears that they changed their name when they became a tourist attraction in aid of a local military hospital depending on where the latest fighting had been. They were the subject of a paper at a study day at the University of Central Lancashire a couple of years ago and the Liverpool Scottish Museum Trust has some relevant material from the notebooks of an officer serving with the 3/10 King's Liverpool Regiment. I will check tomorrow. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick1234 Posted 30 April , 2016 Share Posted 30 April , 2016 Martin, There are these 2 sites in Ireland that have WW1 Training Trenches, http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/wwi-trench-system-unearthed-in-cork-308695.html and https://www.flickr.com/photos/59592340@N08/7234223234 easly accessible, Rgds Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 30 April , 2016 Share Posted 30 April , 2016 Martin, There are these 2 sites in Ireland that have WW1 Training Trenches, http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/wwi-trench-system-unearthed-in-cork-308695.html and https://www.flickr.com/photos/59592340@N08/7234223234 easly accessible, Rgds Mick Also at Ballykinler ... https://www.gov.uk/government/news/first-world-war-trenches-uncovered-at-ballykinler Covered in BBC One's Secret Britain on Thursday evening. Jump to 24mins 09 secs in this iPlayer link ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0791rbt/secret-britain-series-3-4-northern-ireland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoyen89 Posted 3 May , 2016 Share Posted 3 May , 2016 Near me in Oxfordshire there are examples at: Whiteleaf, near Princes Risborough Berkhamstead Headington/Cowley, near Slade Camp Halton Camp All these are on the internet but let me know if you need further details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxi Posted 3 May , 2016 Share Posted 3 May , 2016 The Berkhamstead trench system has recently been cleared and signposted. I would advise anyone visiting to park in the rough and ready car park out of the town, up on a ridge (dividing the Golf Club) near another war memorial. It is well worth a visit. Maxi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domsim Posted 10 May , 2016 Share Posted 10 May , 2016 (edited) Hi Martin I pointed out these ones at Barham in kent a few years ago. all the best Dom. Edited 28 November , 2018 by spof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 10 May , 2016 Share Posted 10 May , 2016 The Clwyd-Powys Archaeological Trust (CPAT) have done much excellent work on Great War sites in North-East Wales.Their scoping study CPAT Report No 1226 - First World War Scoping Study gives a good overview.More detailed site-specific studies - e.g. on the practice trenches at Kinmel Camp - can be reached via their website here .... First World War Commemoration CPAT's work is one part of a wider initiative across Wales: DISCOVER THE LEGACY OF THE WAR IN WALES Enjoy!Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathleen donaldson Posted 14 May , 2016 Share Posted 14 May , 2016 Also in Blackpool. I came across a newspaper articles in the Liverpool Echo. I'll see if I can locate it. Did you know that those soldier who did their training at Blackpool (and I do know that the 9th KLR were there) constructed replicas of the Trenches at Loos, prior to their departure for the front. The "Loos trenches were constructed adjoining Watson's Lane, South Shore and included redoubt, sandbags, dugout &c. These trenches were proving to be a popular tourist attration 100 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathleen donaldson Posted 14 May , 2016 Share Posted 14 May , 2016 Liverpool Echo 15th June 1916 LOOS TRENCHES AT SEASIDE One of the most interesting of Blackpool's attractions at present is the "Loos trenches" adjoining Watson's Lane, South Shore, an elaborate system of works constructed by the military, and on departure of the troops preserved and maintained for charitable purposes. The trenches derive their name from the fact that they are modelled on the actual trenches at Loos. They include a redoubt, dugouts, sandbag defences, &c. In extent they are probably the largest and most elaborate set of trenches open to the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathleen donaldson Posted 14 May , 2016 Share Posted 14 May , 2016 Also a Active service Exhibition was held in Sefton Park August 1916 and the had a replica of the Trench from the "Somme". I have newspaper articles for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 14 May , 2016 Share Posted 14 May , 2016 I've recently been told (and shown pictures) of a Great War airfield at East Boldre in the New Forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelS Posted 16 May , 2016 Share Posted 16 May , 2016 Episode 3 of Paul Merton's Secret Stations on Channel 4 (Sunday 15th May 8pm, repeated on More 4 Wed 18th May 9pm) makes a rather tongue in cheek visit to the training trenches at Penally (Penalun) in Pembrokeshire. Currently available on catch up Here (A search of the forum using 'Penally' will find other threads on these trenches.) Remains of training trenches can certainly be found near Pirbright Camp Click to the west of Curzon Bridges between the railway mainline and the B3012 (Hodge bottom); I've also stumbled on what I believe are the remains of training trenches to the north of the Basingstoke Canal & south-west of Porridge Pot Hill; I suspect that there are probably furthers examples scattered around the whole of this area - not, considering the area's long connection with military training, really surprising! Also visible on the same map further to the west at Deepcut can be seen 'Dismtd Rly'. Currently the raised track beds survive for the WW1 branch line - an extensive part of this general area is being redeveloped for housing (as Mindenhurst) so these may eventually disappear - which extended the pre-war 'Bisley Bullet' branch line (ie served the NRA site at Bisley) from the mainline at Brookwood to Pirbright, Deepcut & Blackdown camps, & was taken up post war (with a limited rebuild to Pirbright Camp in WW2). The foundations of an engine shed & its inspection pit also - again at the present time - still survive. (contemporary maps showing the branch line can be found on the National Library of Scotland map pages (6" :http://maps.nls.uk/view/101436760 & http://maps.nls.uk/view/101436790 & 25": http://maps.nls.uk/view/103314673 ) There are a couple of booklets give details of the history of the line (& the 'Bisley Bullet'): Branch Lines from Brookwood - Peter A Harding (ISBN 978 0 9552403 2 4) & The Bisley Camp Branch Line - Peter A Harding & John M Clarke (ISBN 0 9509414 2 5) NigelS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin W Taylor Posted 8 June , 2016 Share Posted 8 June , 2016 Martin There are training trenches near Penally (near Tenby) in South Wales. There are also a couple of sets on Salisbury Plain near Bulfor and Tidworth. There is a set at Bedlam Buildings near Shipton Bellinger covered on a previous thread. Regards Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancpal Posted 8 June , 2016 Share Posted 8 June , 2016 Martin I've recently found out that there were some training trenches at Morfa Camp, Conway. The site is now Conway Golf Club so I'm dubious as to whether any evidence remains. As I have a caravan next door I'll do a bit of delving next time I'm there. Regards Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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