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UBS Lance Corporal: Kings Royal Rifles, Passchendaele N. B. Cem.


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I still have not found my Canadian Captain in this cemetery but many more are appearing as I go through them one-by-one!

As far as I can see, there is only one (1) Lance Corporal of the King's Royal Rifle Corps that was killed after they had passed though Passchendaele and reached the Green Line on November 6, 1917. Of the seven (7) total, the other six (6) were killed in the 3rd week of October, so long before the front line had passed through Passchendaele.

As always, I leave it to the British experts to determine if there is merit to this case.

He is lin Plot 12 Row B Grave 11 at the Passchendaele New British Cemetery and he was recovered at 28.D.6.d.6.2 which places him on the road on the east side of the village to the south.

COG-BR: http://archive.cloud.cwgc.org/archive/doc/doc2365891.JPG

GRRF: http://archive.cloud.cwgc.org/archive/doc/doc1824954.JPG

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CWGC appear to have Moss' date of death wrong - the soldiers effects records show death as 5/11/16 and his estate was settled up in April 17.

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That would be interesting!

There are two (2) Lance Corporals of the King's Royal Rifle Corps on the Thiepval Memorial for 5 November 1916 (Briggs & Penny) - so did they switch places?

If he was not a Lance Corporal at the time there are 17 more.

If he was not K.R.R.C. then the list is unmanageable. But then who is in Plot 12 Row B Grave 11 at the Passchendaele New British Cemetery?

Can you give me some proof that Moss was dead a year earlier so I can take this up with the CWGC?

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That would be interesting!

There are two (2) Lance Corporals of the King's Royal Rifle Corps on the Thiepval Memorial for 5 November 1916 (Briggs & Penny) - so did they switch places?

If he was not a Lance Corporal at the time there are 17 more.

If he was not K.R.R.C. then the list is unmanageable. But then who is in Plot 12 Row B Grave 11 at the Passchendaele New British Cemetery?

Can you give me some proof that Moss was dead a year earlier so I can take this up with the CWGC?

Can you PM me your email address, please Richard.

Craig

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Craig:

 

I am going back through all the files, so I just noticed I never PM'd my email address. On it's way!

 

I did not previously have access to the UK records on Ance$try but now I do, so I can now delve further into these cases.

 

If Moss was KIA prior to 16 August 1917, then he should be on the Menin Gate Memorial, however the CWGC does indicate there were "exceptions" to the rule.

 

Richard

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18 minutes ago, laughton said:

Craig:

 

I am going back through all the files, so I just noticed I never PM'd my email address. On it's way!

 

I did not previously have access to the UK records on Ance$try but now I do, so I can now delve further into these cases.

 

If Moss was KIA prior to 16 August 1917, then he should be on the Menin Gate Memorial, however the CWGC does indicate there were "exceptions" to the rule.

 

Richard

Just took another look.
 

Taking another look at Moss,
 

#8339 shows he was a pre-war regular. #8338 was allocated on 10 Sep 1907 so Moss, his number being allocated just afterwards, would still  be serving in August 1914 in his initial 7 year term with the colours.
 

The fact he was a regular would mean that his £13 war gratuity was paid gross (as opposed to net). £13 was paid for 28 months qualifying war time service. For the way the war gratuity is worked out this would tie in with a death on 5/11/16.

I would be confident that Moss isn't your man just from the war gratuity alone but I would also add that the register also shows that the first monetary payment sent to his family following his death was made on 23 April 1917. The other possibility would be if he was in the area in Nov 16 when he was killed.

Craig

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If Moss is off the list, which we should correct with the CWGC once confirmed, then we have to expand the list.

 

These are the candidates, with links to the war diaries I could find, for the period after 1 October 1917. I could not find all of them. Regardless, it would be a long list to check! Perhaps someone familiar with the regiment would know enough about their locations to narrow down the list. After that, it would have to be a case of further investigation only if there was only one candidate from that battalion. For example, I think we can eliminate a search on any of the men in the 7th, 8th, 9th, 13th, 16th, or 17th battalions as they have multiple candidates.

 

The war diary for the 11th Battalion many be missing or misplaced as it jumps from September 1917 (page 517 of 752) to March 1918 (page 550 of 752).

 

surname forename death Kings R.R.Corp. # Division Brigade
RODGER JOHN RIDLEY 01-10-17 13th Bn. 'R/18243' 37th 111th
BUTCHER WILLIAM ALFRED PERCY 01-10-17 13th Bn. 'R/4252' 37th 111th
CARDY FRANCIS JAMES 11-10-17 8th Bn. 'R/12149' 14th Reserve
THORNLEY LOUIS 12-10-17 7th Bn. 'Y/1667' 14th Reserve
ATKINSON ALBERT FREDERICK 20-10-17 9th Bn. "D" Coy. 'A/2127' 14th Reserve
WADE WILLIAM 22-10-17 9th Bn. 'R/6576' 14th Reserve
HARROWELL JAMES 22-10-17 9th Bn. 'R/24249' 14th Reserve
STEVENS WALTER 23-10-17 17th Bn. 'R/31872' 39th 117th
REPP FREDERICK 24-10-17 17th Bn. 'R/16517' 39th 117th
HYAM HENRY EDWARD 24-10-17 9th Bn. 'R/31498' 14th Reserve
MOSS ALFRED 05-11-17 16th Bn. '8339' 33rd 100th
WALTON JOHN 20-11-17 17th Bn. 'R/33550' 39th 117th
THURLOW GEORGE GENT HICKLETON 02-12-17 16th Bn. 'R/15479' 33rd 100th
HOLMES JOHN 02-12-17 16th Bn. 'C/803' 33rd 100th
AUSTIN VICTOR WILLIAM 04-12-17 8th Bn. 'C/7963' 14th Reserve
ANDERTON ALFRED REUBIN 06-12-17 7th Bn. 'R/20647' 14th Reserve
WITHERS GEORGE FREDERICK 06-12-17 7th Bn. 'R/16616' 14th Reserve
WALKER HENRY WALTER 15-12-17 9th Bn. 'R/12872' 14th Reserve
PHILLIPS LEONARD CHARLES 20-12-17 9th Bn. 'R/414' 14th Reserve
ROWE LEONARD THOMAS 23-12-17 8th Bn. 'C/12985' 14th Reserve
EMERY GEORGE ALBERT 26-12-17 8th Bn. 'R/13414' 14th Reserve
SHARP ARTHUR EDWARD 08-01-18 12th Bn. '8468' 20th (Light) 60th
WITHEY ARTHUR ALFRED 16-01-18 2nd Bn. "C" Coy. '5873' 1st 2nd
JEFFREYS FREDERICK WILLIAM RICHARD 17-01-18 11th Bn. 'R/4846' 20th (Light) 59th
FEWELL FREDERICK 08-03-18 13th Bn. 'R/4319' 37th 111th
LAWS THOMAS GEORGE 18-04-18 17th Bn. '21507' 39th 117th
WILSON HENRY ALFRED 26-04-18 4th Bn. 'C/4487' 27th 80th

 

 

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