UBS Lance Corporal: Kings Royal Rifles, Passchendaele N. B. Cem.

[laughton]

I still have not found my Canadian Captain in this cemetery but many more are appearing as I go through them one-by-one!

As far as I can see, there is only one (1) Lance Corporal of the King's Royal Rifle Corps that was killed after they had passed though Passchendaele and reached the Green Line on November 6, 1917. Of the seven (7) total, the other six (6) were killed in the 3rd week of October, so long before the front line had passed through Passchendaele.

As always, I leave it to the British experts to determine if there is merit to this case.

He is lin Plot 12 Row B Grave 11 at the Passchendaele New British Cemetery and he was recovered at 28.D.6.d.6.2 which places him on the road on the east side of the village to the south.

COG-BR: http://archive.cloud.cwgc.org/archive/doc/doc2365891.JPG

GRRF: http://archive.cloud.cwgc.org/archive/doc/doc1824954.JPG

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CWGC appear to have Moss' date of death wrong - the soldiers effects records show death as 5/11/16 and his estate was settled up in April 17.

Craig

[laughton]

That would be interesting!

There are two (2) Lance Corporals of the King's Royal Rifle Corps on the Thiepval Memorial for 5 November 1916 (Briggs & Penny) - so did they switch places?

If he was not a Lance Corporal at the time there are 17 more.

If he was not K.R.R.C. then the list is unmanageable. But then who is in Plot 12 Row B Grave 11 at the Passchendaele New British Cemetery?

Can you give me some proof that Moss was dead a year earlier so I can take this up with the CWGC?

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That would be interesting!

There are two (2) Lance Corporals of the King's Royal Rifle Corps on the Thiepval Memorial for 5 November 1916 (Briggs & Penny) - so did they switch places?

If he was not a Lance Corporal at the time there are 17 more.

If he was not K.R.R.C. then the list is unmanageable. But then who is in Plot 12 Row B Grave 11 at the Passchendaele New British Cemetery?

Can you give me some proof that Moss was dead a year earlier so I can take this up with the CWGC?

Can you PM me your email address, please Richard.

Craig

[laughton]

Craig:

 

I am going back through all the files, so I just noticed I never PM'd my email address. On it's way!

 

I did not previously have access to the UK records on Ance$try but now I do, so I can now delve further into these cases.

 

If Moss was KIA prior to 16 August 1917, then he should be on the Menin Gate Memorial, however the CWGC does indicate there were "exceptions" to the rule.

 

Richard

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18 minutes ago, laughton said:

Craig:

 

I am going back through all the files, so I just noticed I never PM'd my email address. On it's way!

 

I did not previously have access to the UK records on Ance$try but now I do, so I can now delve further into these cases.

 

If Moss was KIA prior to 16 August 1917, then he should be on the Menin Gate Memorial, however the CWGC does indicate there were "exceptions" to the rule.

 

Richard

Just took another look.
 

Taking another look at Moss,
 

#8339 shows he was a pre-war regular. #8338 was allocated on 10 Sep 1907 so Moss, his number being allocated just afterwards, would still  be serving in August 1914 in his initial 7 year term with the colours.
 

The fact he was a regular would mean that his £13 war gratuity was paid gross (as opposed to net). £13 was paid for 28 months qualifying war time service. For the way the war gratuity is worked out this would tie in with a death on 5/11/16.

I would be confident that Moss isn't your man just from the war gratuity alone but I would also add that the register also shows that the first monetary payment sent to his family following his death was made on 23 April 1917. The other possibility would be if he was in the area in Nov 16 when he was killed.

Craig

[laughton]

If Moss is off the list, which we should correct with the CWGC once confirmed, then we have to expand the list.

 

These are the candidates, with links to the war diaries I could find, for the period after 1 October 1917. I could not find all of them. Regardless, it would be a long list to check! Perhaps someone familiar with the regiment would know enough about their locations to narrow down the list. After that, it would have to be a case of further investigation only if there was only one candidate from that battalion. For example, I think we can eliminate a search on any of the men in the 7th, 8th, 9th, 13th, 16th, or 17th battalions as they have multiple candidates.

 

The war diary for the 11th Battalion many be missing or misplaced as it jumps from September 1917 (page 517 of 752) to March 1918 (page 550 of 752).

 

surname	forename	death	Kings R.R.Corp.	#	Division	Brigade
RODGER	JOHN RIDLEY	01-10-17	13th Bn.	'R/18243'	37th	111th
BUTCHER	WILLIAM ALFRED PERCY	01-10-17	13th Bn.	'R/4252'	37th	111th
CARDY	FRANCIS JAMES	11-10-17	8th Bn.	'R/12149'	14th	Reserve
THORNLEY	LOUIS	12-10-17	7th Bn.	'Y/1667'	14th	Reserve
ATKINSON	ALBERT FREDERICK	20-10-17	9th Bn. "D" Coy.	'A/2127'	14th	Reserve
WADE	WILLIAM	22-10-17	9th Bn.	'R/6576'	14th	Reserve
HARROWELL	JAMES	22-10-17	9th Bn.	'R/24249'	14th	Reserve
STEVENS	WALTER	23-10-17	17th Bn.	'R/31872'	39th	117th
REPP	FREDERICK	24-10-17	17th Bn.	'R/16517'	39th	117th
HYAM	HENRY EDWARD	24-10-17	9th Bn.	'R/31498'	14th	Reserve
MOSS	ALFRED	05-11-17	16th Bn.	'8339'	33rd	100th
WALTON	JOHN	20-11-17	17th Bn.	'R/33550'	39th	117th
THURLOW	GEORGE GENT HICKLETON	02-12-17	16th Bn.	'R/15479'	33rd	100th
HOLMES	JOHN	02-12-17	16th Bn.	'C/803'	33rd	100th
AUSTIN	VICTOR WILLIAM	04-12-17	8th Bn.	'C/7963'	14th	Reserve
ANDERTON	ALFRED REUBIN	06-12-17	7th Bn.	'R/20647'	14th	Reserve
WITHERS	GEORGE FREDERICK	06-12-17	7th Bn.	'R/16616'	14th	Reserve
WALKER	HENRY WALTER	15-12-17	9th Bn.	'R/12872'	14th	Reserve
PHILLIPS	LEONARD CHARLES	20-12-17	9th Bn.	'R/414'	14th	Reserve
ROWE	LEONARD THOMAS	23-12-17	8th Bn.	'C/12985'	14th	Reserve
EMERY	GEORGE ALBERT	26-12-17	8th Bn.	'R/13414'	14th	Reserve
SHARP	ARTHUR EDWARD	08-01-18	12th Bn.	'8468'	20th (Light)	60th
WITHEY	ARTHUR ALFRED	16-01-18	2nd Bn. "C" Coy.	'5873'	1st	2nd
JEFFREYS	FREDERICK WILLIAM RICHARD	17-01-18	11th Bn.	'R/4846'	20th (Light)	59th
FEWELL	FREDERICK	08-03-18	13th Bn.	'R/4319'	37th	111th
LAWS	THOMAS GEORGE	18-04-18	17th Bn.	'21507'	39th	117th
WILSON	HENRY ALFRED	26-04-18	4th Bn.	'C/4487'	27th	80th