TEW Posted 17 March , 2016 Share Posted 17 March , 2016 (edited) Just for interest. Looked through some interesting sounding TNA refs yesterday including MH106/2148 which is a set of medical cards to RFA men numbers 109740-109993. Small selection of 253 men but some had multiple cards charting their movement through FAs to CCS etc. UK and France/Flanders hospitals. All seem to be Army forms, W3162, W3243a, W3118. Picked one man at random as he had 10 cards. RFA 109824 John M Mcnulty. No WO363 or 364 on ancestry, nothing I can see on FMP. His only record seems to be his MIC, apart from this, apologies for one of his medical conditions, didn't spot that till this morning. TEW Edited 13 October , 2020 by TEW removal of links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Porter Posted 17 March , 2016 Share Posted 17 March , 2016 TEW, Thanks for posting these cards. I knew about them but had only seen the Medical Sheets in the later sub-series. They certainly are very useful if a service record is missing, as you have found with John McNulty. The Medical Sheets cover a wider number range, but obviously not every number would have a sheet, so you have to take pot luck. The full references for the Royal Field Artillery set are: Subseries within MH 106 MEDICAL CARDS 1916-1920 Royal Field Artillery MH 106/2140 Other ranks Regimental Nos. 7930-8039 MH 106/2141 Other ranks Regimental Nos. 8040-8178 MH 106/2142 Other ranks Regimental Nos. 27830-27999 MH 106/2143 Other ranks Regimental Nos. 28000-28089 MH 106/2144 Other ranks Regimental Nos. 48240-48399 MH 106/2145 Other ranks Regimental Nos. 48400-48559 MH 106/2146 Other ranks Regimental Nos. 76740-76853 MH 106/2147 Other ranks Regimental Nos. 76856-76979 MH 106/2148 Other ranks Regimental Nos. 109740-109993 MH 106/2149 Other ranks Regimental Nos. 109996-110269 MH 106/2150 Other ranks Regimental Nos. 179920-180219 MH 106/2151 Other ranks Regimental Nos. 180222-180599 MH 106/2152 Other ranks Regimental Nos. 256951-257539 MH 106/2153 Other ranks Regimental Nos. 257541-258149 MH 106/2154 Other ranks Regimental Nos. 775421-775754 MH 106/2155 Other ranks Regimental Nos. 775757-776149 MH 106/2156 Officers: Brace to Browell MH 106/2157 Officers: Brown to Burgess Subseries within MH 106 MEDICAL SHEETS 1916-1917 Royal Field Artillery MH 106/2174 Other ranks Case Sheet No. 1900-1999 MH 106/2175 Other ranks Case Sheet No. 6900-7499 MH 106/2176 Other ranks Case Sheet No. 22500-22999 MH 106/2177 Other ranks Case Sheet No. 38300-38999 MH 106/2178 Other ranks Case Sheet No. 53000-54099 MH 106/2179 Other ranks Case Sheet No. 75800-76899 MH 106/2180 Other ranks Case Sheet No. 99400-100499 MH 106/2181 Other ranks Case Sheet No. 138621-143099 MH 106/2182 Other ranks Case Sheet No. 660000-680999 One can only hope that before too long they might feature online with full index. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battiscombe Posted 17 March , 2016 Share Posted 17 March , 2016 very interesting to know - and may also contain records for some prewar RFA regulars amongst lower numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David26 Posted 17 March , 2016 Share Posted 17 March , 2016 Hi David, do you know what records might exist for men whose numbers fall between the groupings listed (e.g. 8179 - 27829) ? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Porter Posted 17 March , 2016 Share Posted 17 March , 2016 do you know what records might exist for men whose numbers fall between the groupings listed (e.g. 8179 - 27829) ? David26, As this was just a sample the medical information for those numbers was not kept. You have to resort to other means. So you have to try service records, absent voters lists, local newspapers, soldiers effects registers etc. Forces War Records are transcribing the Admission and Discharge books that are also in MH106. These are not complete either. See https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/military-hospital-records If they are not found by these means then you will have a difficult job, especially as some numbers are not unique and were used twice or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 17 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 17 March , 2016 TNA lists the service numbers for the groups it holds. Not sure why RFA prevails but: I also looked through MH106/2289 which was a box of (several hundred?) loose leaf sheets, same as you'd find in WO364, all RFA for Hospitals, FAs, CCS in UK, France, Italy, Egypt, Meso. 18/3/16, 23.26 CORRECTION - THIS WAS ACTUALLY MH106/2178. First World War Representative Medical Records of Servicemen, MEDICAL SHEETS 1916-1917. Royal Field Artillery Plus one mis-sort for Royal Welsh Fusiliers 54078, Richard Fenn. Another smaller set of cards for Leicestershire Regiment Well worth playing around with Discovery in MH106 with different search terms. You'll find Hussars, Marines, Nurses, RAF, RFC, Colonials, Officers, Camel Corps, YMCA, Persian Gulf RAF, Belgian civilians, Italian civilians. Either a sample of medical sheets or Hospital admission and discharge registers, X-ray books, operation records/books. TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Porter Posted 18 March , 2016 Share Posted 18 March , 2016 I also looked through MH106/2289 which was a box of (several hundred?) loose leaf sheets, same as you'd find in WO364, all RFA for Hospitals, FAs, CCS in UK, France, Italy, Egypt, Meso. This is indexed as: War Office: First World War Representative Medical Records of Servicemen. MEDICAL SHEETS 1917-1920. Hospitals operating in the United Kingdom: Millbank. TEW, That is quite amazing. It is not until you open the box that you realise it is all RFA - the index should be modified. In fact this is just surnames Sa - Sk as Discovery points out - the Millbank sheets run from MH106/2267 (A) to MH106/2284 (Whi - Y) That is 28 boxes - all potentially RFA. Can you confirm all of the ones you looked at were surnames Sa - Sk ? I'm excited by yet another untapped source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 18 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 18 March , 2016 David I'm going to have to double check that one. I had a locker of advanced booked MH106 waiting for me on Tuesday and another for Wednesday. The power outage on Tuesday meant I had a very full locker on Wednesday! and it shut at 5 not 7 as planned. I also ordered several more during Wednesday including one I must have mis-typed the reference for. I only took one photo from the box I referred to (MH106/2289, I think) which was the mis-sort from the Royal Welsh Fusiliers. Will have to check that image against their catalogue and my advanced orders to see if I can be 100% sure it was 2289. TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David26 Posted 18 March , 2016 Share Posted 18 March , 2016 David, thank you. That's really helpful. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 18 March , 2016 Author Share Posted 18 March , 2016 David, The image I have is a mis-sort for a Royal Welsh Fusilier man, No. 54078 in Maghull. I'm sure now that I typoed an order for MH106/2148 as 2178 which are 'First World War Representative Medical Records of Servicemen' Former ref is 'Case Sheet No. 53000-54099'. NB the mis-sort has a Regimental Number in that range. Presumably the other RFA sheets are also in that range? Apologies for misleading, will correct original post. TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallaton1 Posted 5 April , 2016 Share Posted 5 April , 2016 Th MH106 files are fascinating and well worth a visit. However, be warned the series of numbers for the cards does not always mean that every service number in that sequence will be there. The medical sheets that I have viewed, Leicestershire regiment, are not as far as I am aware catalogued by number though they are filed as such. A box of these sheets will contain hundreds of records and take a long time to go through. I would say that you would need at least an hour to go through each box of files and that would be just for a quick look. The medical sheets are absolutely fascinating and sometimes contain xrays etc. The handwriting is typical of the medical profession at times and can be quite hard to make out! The records for the Leicestershire Regiment do not contain all the records but only a percentage of those who served. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Porter Posted 27 June , 2019 Share Posted 27 June , 2019 Pleased to find out that some of these files are being re-catalogued "to produce item level descriptions for the papers contained in a selection of these boxes". Full descriptions for 1919 - 1923 are currently not being displayed, only basic details, but will be available after 100 years has passed. See https://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk/discharged-to-duty-first-world-war-medical-records/ An example: Citable Reference MH 106/2174/1 Description Folio(s): 1. Name: Alfred Lyne. Rank: Gunner. Unit/Battalion/Regiment: 48 Battery, Royal Field Artillery. Service number: 1900. Age: 34. Date of Admission: 15/09/1915. Date of Discharge: 15/09/1915. Hospital(s): 1st Eastern General Hospital, Cambridge. Condition/Injury/Disease: VDH [Valvular Disease of the Heart]. Details and Outcome: Patient admitted suffering with VDH. Further details given. Sent before Medical Board and recommended for discharge. Outcome not stated. Includes a medical case sheet only. Number of Pages: 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Porter Posted 13 October , 2020 Share Posted 13 October , 2020 It looks like all the files in post 2 are now fully re-catalogued to item level. Not only that, they have done the same to the following: MH 106 2079 - 2107 Diseases MH 106 2108 - 2129 Gunshot and other wounds MH 106 2239 - 2258 Catterick Command Depot MH 106 2212 Napsbury, surname A You will find information for thousands of men. Many will not have surviving service or pension records. Now a Discovery search for "MH 106" and a service number or name could bring to light some long lost leads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 13 October , 2020 Author Share Posted 13 October , 2020 Good news indeed. As well as Medical Cards for RFA there is also a large block for Leicestershire Regiment. Over 8000 Cards for Leicesters plus 6000 Sheets. That's before you look through the diseases and GSW Sheets. Hussars, RFC, Grenadiers probably in the pipeline TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 13 October , 2020 Author Share Posted 13 October , 2020 I note my images in the OP have broken so I've removed them and will replace an example here. I'm also certain that I had a photo of a Card for a Royal Fusilier mixed in with the RFA IE. added by mistake. This is for McNulty RFA #109824. His TNA record is HERE. His Medical Card records are actually several cards which cover different ailments from Mid-1917 to late 1918. Not sure if that's the total record of his ailments. TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Porter Posted 13 October , 2020 Share Posted 13 October , 2020 17 minutes ago, TEW said: Hussars, RFC, Grenadiers probably in the pipeline On checking again RFC has been completed as has Women's Services. MH 106 2202 - 2206 Royal Flying Corps MH 106 2207 - 2211 Women's Services Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Porter Posted 15 October , 2020 Share Posted 15 October , 2020 It is worth pointing out that this vast undertaking will inevitably contain errors. If I hadn't taken images of some of these sheets, I would not have spotted that the details of two men have been combined as one record. Look Here - 138698 William Harry Antrobus does not exist. The records combined are that of 138689 Henry A Antrobus ...... ...... and 138698 William Henry Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 15 October , 2020 Author Share Posted 15 October , 2020 Have you found an error with this catalogue description? Let us know They seem to have put an awful lot of data in the Description Field. I just checked and see 6 hits for Seale Hayne, patients completely new to me. TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 15 October , 2020 Share Posted 15 October , 2020 This is a record set that could do with being digitised but I suspect that'll not happen anytime soon, if ever. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 15 October , 2020 Author Share Posted 15 October , 2020 It certainly could but it's going to be another resource worth searching within for individuals. TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 15 October , 2020 Share Posted 15 October , 2020 1 minute ago, TEW said: It certainly could but it's going to be another resource worth searching within for individuals. TEW Certainly - a quick scan of 6 DLI men has revealed a couple of home service men I didn't have and a few more details on injuries of men I did have. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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